Too much for Jost considering Namestnikov got $2 mil. Makar will definitely get paid, but with the flat cap? Tough to say. EJ will definitely be a contract of interest moving forward, but you also need to take one of Graves, Donskoi, or Compher into consideration as they'll likely be the three Seattle looks at.

makar is making around 8 way to much for jost just no.

Yah Makar isn’t getting 10.5M. There’s no way especially in a flat cap. You saw Pietrangelo got 8.8M, and he’s probably one of the best defence men in this league.

While you're probably right, Makar is considerably younger than Petro and already provides better offense though he isn't as good defensively so it wouldn't be hard to see him getting more but not immediately.

Forgot about expansion.

Re Jost. Just gave him a relatively small contract to roughly guess what he'll make. This wasn't meant to be an exact post more an eyeball gross estimate for next year.

Frankly as an outsider I feel like Jost either prices himself to me a 3 mil+ player by taking the next step or he'll be moved out for room for Bowers, newhook, etc.

Id MUCH rather sign a 21 year old Makar than a 30 year old Pietro.

I'd be shocked if in 2 years Makar isn't the better player. Simply for aging reasons.

Yeah, it'll be interesting to monitor this season. Personally, I like him more than Compher and I feel like he can be a good bottom 6 guy if he just figures it out. Far cheaper to keep around too.



My guess is that his agent targets a bridge deal to get past the flat cap, then aim for the ridiculous 8-9 year contract, which I'd be fine with. Either way, the kid's gonna get paid.

I figure 7-8 for three (Werenski) or 10 for term (he's more valuable than Rantanen)

Note this is all dependent on him repeating his dominant play as a sophomore

We will see.

To your point Pietro is the better player today. But in 2 years Makar will be entering his prime and Pietro will be entering his mid 30s. That's all I'm saying

The league is moving away from paying for what someone has done to trying to efficiently pay for what someone will be doing during their contract

It's really what should be happening: paying for what they can and will do rather than what they did. If you get past the ELC, do a bridge and they prove who they really are, they're still young enough that you can feel good about signing them to a 6-8 year contract and be reasonably sure you're going to get the value out of them.

It's going to be interesting to see what happens. Makar could like the idea of the security of a long-term deal at $8-9M even if he knows he can get a bit more later. After all, you never know when a devastating injury could happen.

He might be more valuable than Rants but Rants signed that deal before the flat cap which has quite clearly thrown the economics of the league into chaos. So it's not at all out of the realm of possibility for Makar, if he should choose to do so, to sign an 8 year deal at $8-9M. He could choose to wait things out but he might like the idea of that kind of security.

I just don’t see him getting more than Pietrangelo because well Pietrangelo is better, and it’s a flat cap so he may have to take a cheep deal. That’s all I was saying.

I think the players don't want the bridge as if they get the 5 year deal at 21-22 they get a second prime deal at 27ish.

If they do a bridge then 5 years or just sign 8 years, it takes them to about 30. Now people still paid Pietro at 30, but he'd have gotten more if he were 27 like Panarin and Tavares were.

Also the BEST deals are the ones where you can lock in an up and comer who look like guaranteed second pairing/second line guys at second line/pairing money at 22ish for term, but they progress to study and you get a bargain.

See guys like Josi, Parise (RFA contract not the mega-contract), likely Girard, Couturier. Hell both Tavares and MacKinnon signing for first line but not superstar money, but hten becoming superstars (McKinnon more than Tavares).

It doesn't work for guys like Makar/Rantanen/Marner who already are looking for elite money.

But when you can find those guys I'd much rather get them to sign for 4 million for 6-7 years through their prime than 3 million for 3 years. Its where the best bargains are found

I totally see your point, just I think its the old way of thinking, and it is not as cap efficient. It ends up with Dustin Brown on his biggest deal in his worst years. He was that power forward we all want for like 4 mil through his prime underpaid. Then he becomes UFA at like 31 and is signed to be the pay he deserved in his prime, but hasn't been worth it at almost 6 mil. He did regress like a rock like Lucic, but he hasn't been worth his contract.

Realistically players peak in their mid 20s, but their contracts peak in their late 20s/early 30s. Thats a disconnect.

Fun convo either way

Cheers!

Yes! I 100% respect your opinion, and what you were saying!

For sure but it is also interesting how the flat cap is hurting players. While it's flat the percents shouldn't change.

It shows you how bad most GM's have managed the cap as they all depended on a non guarantee: that it would raise indefinitely

The 8 mil RFA dman is Chabot and frankly in Makar's one year he's been better

As a percentage of cap I suspect Pietro's and Doughty's first deals are likely in that range. It's not a terrible range

100% agree with the take but the player has to agree to the deal, too. At the moment, all things considered, Makar probably can't get $10M/yr; he can get maybe $8-9M on a long-term deal. If he signs, say, a 3-year bridge at $7M to wait for the cap to go up and it does and he continues to perform and get better, now he's in line for $10-11Mx8. So, he's $21M richer plus he gets the long-term deal at a higher value. If he signs, say, an 8x$9M next off-season, he does get the security of the long-term deal. But, he's leaving $29-37M on the table in that scenario (rich athlete problems, I know; boo-hoo). He could make that up later because he'd end an 8-year deal around age 30 and could sign another pretty good deal after that.

One more thing to consider: the Avs financial situation. While it looks all good on paper to re-sign both Landy and Makar to big deals, if the cap stays flat for more than just this coming year, things might get real tight. So bridging Makar could give them some relief so they can sign other guys that can help them win then pay him that big contract later on.

There are a lot of moving parts but it has to work for everyone. We'll see how it shakes out but I won't be surprised if he gets a long-term deal or a bridge.