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Équipe: 2020-21 Penguins de Pittsburgh
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A. They can easily afford him and simply wait.
B. Rumors are someone is going to tender him. In order to tender him at a rate he'd sign or that you'd actually get him from the penguins,, you are looking at compensation of a 1st and 3rd. So get over it people. To all the "I don't want murray" your teams GM doesn't care what you want. 8 Teams are reportedly in on him. 8. Because there are no 26 year old goal tenders with his level of play available and no one wants to sign an aging vet to a large long term deal.

To clear up the 3RD.
Maniscalco is the man. He signed as a UFA from the NCAA, he could have signed anywhere. He claimed "fit" read between the lines. Ice time. He is the plan. They like his game.
I don't think they are going out looking for a 3RD at this point.
If it doesn't work out they will look for defense later in the usual mid year shakeup.

The cost to dump JJ. is roughly a 2nd. 2.25 this year when buried. The buyout next year is 3.5 million over 4 years. 5.75..... Roughly the same cost what DET did with NY.
The penguins will wrap JJ with POJ.
There are multiple options. DET, TOR, OTT, basically any team looking for defense.
The question you have to ask, is do you pay out 3+ million in FA for an aging defense man of which there are few really good options and a massive need, especially at that cost.
OR, do you take the much younger player on an entry level contract, who you have control over for the next 5-6 years. Defense is always needed. And the demand is greater than the supply. A team with space trying to rebuild or deep pockets in need of defense is going to make a run at this.
POJ is clearly worth more than a 2nd, so additional compensation will come back the other way.

The only place I see this team making a move now is 3 or 4C. And only after they move Murray. Which will probably be before FA opens.
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3 oct. 2020 à 12 h 23
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every TOR fan knows that's bs.
Even they stated that.


I'm sorry how is that bs? It was either he does it for the purpose of a buyout or he doesn't do it. It's pretty simple to understand
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I don't believe you at all. Just look at what's going on right now. MIN is looking to sign Hank over trading for Murray. Listen to you're own beat writers. Anyone that knows what they're talking about knows this is a complete S show for Murray.

https://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Ryan-Wilson/Henrik-Lundqvist-throws-a-big-wrench-in-the-potential-Matt-Murray-market/177/107682

***EDIT*** BUT it does only take one stupid GM to make a trade. I 100% get that. Look at what JR gave up for KK.


Look what Lehner just signed for and tell me Murray is getting 6....what BS.
Arbitration nothing.
And no one is signing Ludqvist, he's done, everyone knows it.
3 oct. 2020 à 12 h 34
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both your comments are laughable.
Have you looked at the FA market on defensemen?
https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/top-nhl-ufas-position-looking-10-best-defencemen-available/
every one of them is basically 29-30 years old. All of them want long term contracts, at high value.

You can sit here with your heads in the clouds, but young defensemen capable of filling starting roles go at a premium.
POJ is worth more than the 1st he was drafted at, because he's been given the time to develop. He can play now, not wait.
JJ cost is a 2nd to dump.
The net return on that is going to be roughly a 2nd.
The penguins aren't pressed to trade JJ, they can buy him out. They don't care about the length, the team will be long dead before it will even matter.

Which means you can expect to pay if you want defensive help.


And with this, you can keep jj
3 oct. 2020 à 12 h 36
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I'm sorry how is that bs? It was either he does it for the purpose of a buyout or he doesn't do it. It's pretty simple to understand


Go look at the mountain of posts after that trade. it's all the evidence you need
3 oct. 2020 à 12 h 37
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And with this, you can keep jj


and with that kind of attitude you will never fix your defense. It's not NHL 2020. You have to give to get.
You want to keep that broken defense go ahead.
3 oct. 2020 à 12 h 40
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and with that kind of attitude you will never fix your defense. It's not NHL 2020. You have to give to get.
You want to keep that broken defense go ahead.


Yeah pal, our D is already better then yours and will be better after next season. If you think jj fixes our D, you know nothing about hockey
3 oct. 2020 à 12 h 44
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Yeah pal, our D is already better then yours and will be better after next season. If you think jj fixes our D, you know nothing about hockey


you clearly didn't watch the games. The top two pairs are fine. It's just fixing the 3rd pairing.
And your D is no where even close. Hell it's been the walking IR for the last 3 years. Good luck with that.
3 oct. 2020 à 12 h 45
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you clearly didn't watch the games. The top two pairs are fine. It's just fixing the 3rd pairing.
And your D is no where even close. Hell it's been the walking IR for the last 3 years. Good luck with that.


Good luck with jj
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Good luck with jj


why he won't be here next year.
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why he won't be here next year.


Cool he won't be here either
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Cool he won't be here either


we know, the AHL team will be when the rest of the players stay on IR because they don't care
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we know, the AHL team will be when the rest of the players stay on IR because they don't care


Yeah I'll take the 6 guys I'm icing over that albatross. It's cool when sid retires and you don't get another star you'll be in KC with that franchise and fan base
3 oct. 2020 à 12 h 53
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Yeah I'll take the 6 guys I'm icing over that albatross. It's cool when sid retires and you don't get another star you'll be in KC with that franchise and fan base


i'm gonna laugh when detroit and the shrinking population moves first.
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i'm gonna laugh when detroit and the shrinking population moves first.


Yeah over a hundred years with the same team and same fan base. Mario saved yours 2x when they threatened to move and then sid saved them the 3rd time, don't remember wings ever threatening to move, but good come back artard
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Look what Lehner just signed for and tell me Murray is getting 6....what BS.
Arbitration nothing.
And no one is signing Ludqvist, he's done, everyone knows it.


How many cups has Lehner won? "everyone knows it" LOL I'm going to call you out the second he signs.
3 oct. 2020 à 12 h 59
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How many cups has Lehner won? "everyone knows it" LOL I'm going to call you out the second he signs.


he played what 24 games last year and is 38....you think anyone is signing him to be a starter?
yeah, I'll just call you out on that now. I don't have to wait.
3 oct. 2020 à 13 h 0
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Yeah over a hundred years with the same team and same fan base. Mario saved yours 2x when they threatened to move and then sid saved them the 3rd time, don't remember wings ever threatening to move, but good come back artard


yawn.... I think another 1,000 people just left detroit.
3 oct. 2020 à 13 h 12
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Go look at the mountain of posts after that trade. it's all the evidence you need


Lol im still baffled how you think Detroit does this deal.
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There's zero chance the Penguins will be able to keep Murray. He's arbitration eligible and will most certainly get awarded more than $4M. He also becomes ineligible for an offer sheet once he files for arbitration.
4 oct. 2020 à 12 h 15
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There's zero chance the Penguins will be able to keep Murray. He's arbitration eligible and will most certainly get awarded more than $4M. He also becomes ineligible for an offer sheet once he files for arbitration.


A he has not filed yet, and probably will wait due to an offer sheet.
B. with what Lehner just got, don't expect some huge amount. Anything under 5 they can afford. They have 2.6 million now, they move JJ you are at 6 million. They can afford to keep him if they want him.
They don't HAVE to move him.
4 oct. 2020 à 12 h 26
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A he has not filed yet, and probably will wait due to an offer sheet.
B. with what Lehner just got, don't expect some huge amount. Anything under 5 they can afford. They have 2.6 million now, they move JJ you are at 6 million. They can afford to keep him if they want him.
They don't HAVE to move him.


Lehner isn't a comparable for Murray. Also, why would he sign an offer sheet and risk the Penguins matching when he could go to arbitration, get paid, and become a UFA next offseason?
4 oct. 2020 à 12 h 38
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Lehner isn't a comparable for Murray. Also, why would he sign an offer sheet and risk the Penguins matching when he could go to arbitration, get paid, and become a UFA next offseason?


Because the offersheet gives him control instead of the penguins as far as where he lands and possibly works that deal out a year earlier.
arbitrationis a long ways away, and Lehner is a comparable. Simply due to the new market we are in. He was the hottest goalie on the market. He got 5 mil per. Don't expect anyone to say MM is going to break the bank. I just don't buy that.
4 oct. 2020 à 12 h 44
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Because the offersheet gives him control instead of the penguins as far as where he lands and possibly works that deal out a year earlier.
arbitrationis a long ways away, and Lehner is a comparable. Simply due to the new market we are in. He was the hottest goalie on the market. He got 5 mil per. Don't expect anyone to say MM is going to break the bank. I just don't buy that.


Dude, you can't compare UFAs to RFAs. I'm not saying you shouldn't, I'm saying you can't. It's against the arbitration rules.
4 oct. 2020 à 12 h 50
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Dude, you can't compare UFAs to RFAs. I'm not saying you shouldn't, I'm saying you can't. It's against the arbitration rules.


Yeah I get that. But the arbitration comparatives were not in a flat cap covid world where teams aren't making profits because they are so dependent on gate revenue.
And that in the end goes a long way.
 
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