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Équipe: 2019-20 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Date de création initiale: 21 août 2020
Publié: 21 août 2020
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
CRÉÉANSCAP HIT
Marleau, Patrick
16 250 000 $
Marner, Mitch
27 293 000 $
Transactions
1.
TOR
  1. Kadri, Nazem
  2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2020 (TOR)
2.
OTT
  1. Ceci, Cody
  2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2020 (TOR)
3.
TOR
  1. Choix de 1e ronde en 2020 (TOR)
CAR
  1. Marner, Mitchell
Détails additionnels:
To Reverse Signing
4.
TOR
  1. Choix de 3e ronde en 2020 (CHI)
Rachats de contrats
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
Repêchage1e ronde2e ronde3e ronde4e ronde5e ronde6e ronde7e ronde
2020
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2021
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2022
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2081 500 000 $81 327 699 $0 $0 $172 301 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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2 250 000 $2 250 000 $
AD, AG
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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11 634 000 $11 634 000 $
C
UFA - 5
Marner, Mitch
7 293 000 $7 293 000 $
Marleau, Patrick
6 250 000 $6 250 000 $
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11 000 000 $11 000 000 $
C, AG
NMC
UFA - 6
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6 962 366 $6 962 366 $
AD
UFA - 5
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925 000 $925 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
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4 500 000 $4 500 000 $
C
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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3 200 000 $3 200 000 $
AD
UFA - 3
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800 000 $800 000 $
AG
UFA - 1
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700 000 $700 000 $
C, AD
NTC
UFA - 1
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2 100 000 $2 100 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
DG
UFA - 3
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4 500 000 $4 500 000 $
DD
M-NTC
UFA - 5
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
G
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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4 000 000 $4 000 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
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675 000 $675 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
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675 000 $675 000 $
G
UFA - 1
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863 333 $863 333 $
DG/DD
UFA - 1
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700 000 $700 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
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5 300 000 $5 300 000 $
AD
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UFA - 1
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5 250 000 $5 250 000 $
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UFA - 1

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21 août 2020 à 15 h 27
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Quoting: Barilko14
Because nothing weird happened to hurt their chances at making the playoffs?

Nonis would have traded the first, no top 10 protection, missed playoffs and "won" lottery and lost Lafreniere.


weird **** happens. injuries happen. every team runs into adversity during the year.

our roster couldn't over come it.
21 août 2020 à 15 h 30
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we started the year with hyman and dermott on LTIR. opened up space for cheaper/more guys. same thing all year with marner, tavares, rielly ceci, mikheyev etc. used their ltir space to get more than 20. so this roster was no different than what we actually did.

no. i wouldn't want zaitsev back. but if he meant having our 1st, kadri and marner on a better deal - then yes. i would take him back.


That's not how IR and LTIR work.

We never at any point had less than 22 active roster players. Every team in the league carries more than 20 players.

Zaitsev had nothing to do with the 1st, Kadri or Marner deal, so not sure why you would link him to that.
21 août 2020 à 15 h 32
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weird **** happens. injuries happen. every team runs into adversity during the year.

our roster couldn't over come it.


Pandemic's happen every year???

Leafs chances of making playoffs were above 85% at start of March. They dropped to 60%ish once the format changed, one of most affected teams by the change.
21 août 2020 à 15 h 41
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Quoting: Barilko14
That's not how IR and LTIR work.

We never at any point had less than 22 active roster players. Every team in the league carries more than 20 players.

Zaitsev had nothing to do with the 1st, Kadri or Marner deal, so not sure why you would link him to that.


okay. trade brown from this roster. bring in 3 guys @ $700k, like we had last year. done.

sure. since i'm using a time machine to reverse what dubas did, i'd be better off leaving the zaitsev trade stand. but as a full body of work, we would have better off without his moves from last year.
21 août 2020 à 15 h 45
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okay. trade brown from this roster. bring in 3 guys @ $700k, like we had last year. done.

sure. since i'm using a time machine to reverse what dubas did, i'd be better off leaving the zaitsev trade stand. but as a full body of work, we would have better off without his moves from last year.


Go further back in the time machine and stop Lou from signing Marleau and Zaitsev in the first place (or at least don't let him go crazy on the terms).

Problem solved!!
21 août 2020 à 15 h 47
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Pandemic's happen every year???

Leafs chances of making playoffs were above 85% at start of March. They dropped to 60%ish once the format changed, one of most affected teams by the change.


put yourself into a better position. the more things you do right, the better luck you have.

if they were in the top 2 in their division, their playoff odds would have gone to 100%.
21 août 2020 à 15 h 48
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Go further back in the time machine and stop Lou from signing Marleau and Zaitsev in the first place (or at least don't let him go crazy on the terms).

Problem solved!!


lou is gone. don't care anymore.

dubas should be.
21 août 2020 à 15 h 52
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Quoting: tumbleweed
Does he want his old job back?


Nah I think he's happy here. Lamoriello/Trotz 2020. Make the Isles Great Again.
21 août 2020 à 16 h 13
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put yourself into a better position. the more things you do right, the better luck you have.

if they were in the top 2 in their division, their playoff odds would have gone to 100%.


So in your mind, make pretty well no changes to the roster, don't overpay Marner, and keeping the 1st catapults the team to a 110 pt team?
21 août 2020 à 16 h 14
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lou is gone. don't care anymore.

dubas should be.


Ahh... the Buffalo Sabre strategy of giving each new GM 2 years to see their entire plan through, that's a great idea!!

Where can I sign up?
21 août 2020 à 16 h 38
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Quoting: tumbleweed
traded a 1st so he could overpay marner. and then not make the playoffs. nonis 101 level of gm'ing right there.


Lou's fault on trading the 1st. And nothing matters this season. The play ins were a crap shoot
21 août 2020 à 16 h 45
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So in your mind, make pretty well no changes to the roster, don't overpay Marner, and keeping the 1st catapults the team to a 110 pt team?


no. marner is the most egregious. but all of matthews, nylander & johnsson got more than they should have as rfa's. kerfoot is a complete waste. can't add a big ufa contract in tavares and then overspend on your rfa's. cap management is about making choices and using your leverage in contract negotiations; not overpaying everyone.

we have no room to add depth/improve without taking away something we need.

if the team is well-managed, we are probably 2 years away from being a contender.

need to re-stock picks and prospects in the meantime. give sandin and lilgegren a chance to prove if they can be good nhl players.
21 août 2020 à 17 h 0
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no. marner is the most egregious. but all of matthews, nylander & johnsson got more than they should have as rfa's. kerfoot is a complete waste. can't add a big ufa contract in tavares and then overspend on your rfa's. cap management is about making choices and using your leverage in contract negotiations; not overpaying everyone.

we have no room to add depth/improve without taking away something we need.

if the team is well-managed, we are probably 2 years away from being a contender.

need to re-stock picks and prospects in the meantime. give sandin and lilgegren a chance to prove if they can be good nhl players.


Marner overpay started with Babcock being an idiot to a rookie, and Lou having to give Sch. A bonuses to Matthews.

Nylander and the $3M RFAs got market value. Because Johnsson has not yet lived up to the deal due to injuries and whatever is hindsight. If you point to the $3M RFA deals as a blackmark against Dubas, then not much point in continuing this convo, because no way to crack through your bias. Kerfoot will be fine going forward.

Add $3.5M - $4.5M in caproom going into this season (pre-pandemic, unless Dubas should have foreseen that as well), and Leafs have no problem making moves within the cap.
21 août 2020 à 18 h 11
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Potato eh? Luckily for you, @Stan_Bowman may be available soon...
21 août 2020 à 18 h 47
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Potato eh? Luckily for you, @Stan_Bowman may be available soon...


I’d say Bowman is in the top 10 GM’s currently in the league. He’s made some stupid trades, but who hasn’t.
21 août 2020 à 19 h 2
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Marner overpay started with Babcock being an idiot to a rookie, and Lou having to give Sch. A bonuses to Matthews.

Nylander and the $3M RFAs got market value. Because Johnsson has not yet lived up to the deal due to injuries and whatever is hindsight. If you point to the $3M RFA deals as a blackmark against Dubas, then not much point in continuing this convo, because no way to crack through your bias. Kerfoot will be fine going forward.

Add $3.5M - $4.5M in caproom going into this season (pre-pandemic, unless Dubas should have foreseen that as well), and Leafs have no problem making moves within the cap.


disagree on market value for rfa's.

every team has to deal with the unknown of the salary cap. there is never a guarantee it is going up.
21 août 2020 à 20 h 40
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disagree on market value for rfa's.

every team has to deal with the unknown of the salary cap. there is never a guarantee it is going up.


Not much point in continuing, pretty sure your Dubas bias is impenetrable.

Pretty sure he's still got a big fan sitting in Presidents office, so enjoy!!
 
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