if calgary blows it all up, which i think they will do in the near future, monahan and tkachuk will be the ones to stay. but if they do end up trading monahan they would get a first round pick for him easily. casey has virtually no value as well. welcome to capfriendly though!

No.

If you want a comparable for a Monahan trade look at when Colorado traded Duchene to Ottawa.

Hint: Monahan is younger and has better career production than Duchene did when he was traded back then.

You're not getting him AND keeping both Cozens and the 8th overall.

My thought process is this: Montour and a 2nd= a mid first roughly. Mittelstadt likely has a value similar to Nylander of last year, they both were high picks with similar post draft success at 21, and he netted Jokiharju who has a high value. I would probably change the 2nd to pick 38 this year if it made a difference.


If Monahan truly does have that much value, I would think there still would be a way to do it without those, though I might still not like it. Calgary may take Reinhart instead and picks/prospects to make it work.

flames rnt blowing it up after beating wpg, their 3 wins were some of the most complete games they played all season

I don't see why he wouldn't have that much value. He's younger than Duchene when Duchene was traded, he has better point production and goal production in his career than Duchene did at the time of the trade, and he's got 3 full seasons left on his contract where as Duchene had less than two seasons left on his. (Note: when it all shook out after Turris was flipped, the Duchene return was roughly equivalent to two 1st round pick, three 2nd round picks and a 3rd round pick)

And no, it can't be done without at least one of Cozens or the 8th overall coming back as PART of the return. If the Flames blow it up and trade their 25 year old #1C they will need something back that might replace him over the next few years. The best chance at that is those two assets, not Mittlestadt who is teetering on bust territory.

You beat a team without a good 2C, and their 1C was injured. That's nothing to write home about. We'll see how they do against a legit playoff team. (Not saying the jets weren't legit, but the jets without Shiefle were not legit)

Hmm..

Isn’t that Ottawa Duchene price considered one of the worst overpays of the past decade?
This is also the same Matt Duchene that was traded 15 months later for a pick in the 2nd half of the first round and two C-level prospects?
And the same Sean Monahan that put up 48 points and a -16 this year?

If you are going pick best case for Sean and worst for Casey, you’ve got to expect others to do the same for your guy.

says the **** sares fan

WTF, this dosnt let u say ****e*

WHAT! it wont even let me do it with a *, and its not even a bad word

I didn't pick "best case" or "worst case" for either player.

I picked the closest comparable there was available and there really aren't any other ones that are even close....and even you scale back the Duchene return because of your hind sight view point, the return would still be miles better than the OPs, and then you take into account Monahan's better production, younger age and better term left on his contract. It is what it is.

Sean Monahan will cost a ton to acquire or teams can just F off because the Flames don't have to trade him....same as Duchene and the Avs., and there is certainly no way Treliving would trade him for the above weak proposal.

You picked the best trade return you could find for a Monahan comparable and you said Mittlestadt is teetering on bust, when he’s 7th in games played and 9th in points in his draft class.

I don’t think history supports you. Top six players are traded for a player a pick and a prospect all the time. It’s kind of a well-known trope.
Montour is a good player, Buffalo’s 2nd is a pretty high pick, and CaseyMittelstadt is a 21-year-old 8th overall pick who has already scored 39 NHL points.

Ryan O’Reilly Is the first comparable that comes to my mind. He’s better than Monahan.
He was traded at age 24, along with a 3rd liner, for Zadorov a late first and two pretty good prospects
He was traded at age 27 for a 1st, a 2nd, a pretty good prospect and 2 cap dumps.

Brayden Schenn is a similar player.
He was traded for a late first and another lottery protected 1st.

J.T. Miller hadn’t proved it yet, but he’s as good as Monahan. He went for a mid 1st and a 3rd.

Vincent Trochek was at Monahan’s level. He fell off and went for just two 3rd liners and two unheralded prospects.

Nazem Kadri effectively went for Tyson Barrie

I think it’s the Duchene trade that was the outlier.

No, none of those players are as good of a comparable as Duchene. Duchenes production is the only one listed that comes close to Monahan and he still comes up a bit short in that department.

J T Miller 27 goals 72 points (career highs)
Ryan OReilly 12 goals 61 points Career highs, 28, 77
Brayden Schenn 25 goals 58 points, Career highs 28, 70
Sean Monahan 22 goals 48 points, Career highs 34, 82
Matt Duchene 13 goals 42 points, Career highs 31, 70
Vincent Trochek 11 goals 38 points, Career highs 31, 75
Nazem Kadri 19 goals 36 points, Career highs 32, 61

Clearly there is some mystical plateau inhabited by only Duchene and Monahan.

You have to go back to look at their career averages and career highs at the time of their trades, not now lol

Here let me do it:

At the time of their trades:

ROR1 (23) - 0.21 gpg / 0.57 ppg - Highs of 28g / 64p
ROR2 (26) - 0.23 gpg / 0.64 ppg - Highs of 28g / 64p
Kadri (28) - 0.28 gpg / 0.63 ppr - Highs of 32g / 61p
Schenn (25) - 0.25 gpg / 0.57 ppg - Highs of 26g / 59p
Miller (25) - 0.21 gpg / 0.54 ppg - Highs of 23g / 58p

Duchene (27) - 0.30 gpg / 0.73 ppg - Highs of 30g / 70p
Monahan (25) - 0.35 gpg / 0.76 ppg - Highs of 34g / 82p

Monahan is so under rated around here, it's quite comical actually.

I say again, closest comparable is Duchene, and Monahan is younger, slightly more productive and also has 3 years term remaining. Not to mention the Flames won't be trading just for ****s and giggles either. He's our number 1 C and they don't have to trade him.

And I’ll say it again, Duchene is hardly the only comparable for Monahan, and the Duchene trade hardly locks in the value of a Monahan return.
You’ve conveniently ignored Monahan’s current season your valuation, and the defensive acumen of guys like O’Reilly and Kadri.

Yes, he is the Flames number one centre and no they don’t have to trade him.
But if they decided they wanted to this off-season, a good NHL player, a prospect and a pick is a reasonable return.

It's not nearly enough, especially when there is nothing special about the prospect, and the draft pick is only a 2nd rounder that's a year away, and the roster player is a Dmen that will force the Flames to expose one of their other Dmen in the expansion draft. The above return is terrible for Monahan and makes no sense.

Also, I haven't "locked in" the Duchene return. But it should be much closer to that than the proposal in this ACGM.

I also haven't "conveniently ignored" Monahan's current season either, it's factored into the numbers I posted. So even with a down season his numbers are way better than all the guys you listed, and I take the 5 year sample size over 1 year all day and twice on Sundays.