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Forum: Armchair-GM8 août 2020 à 14 h 54
Sujet: Take 1
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BurnEmUp</b></div><div>Here let me do it:

At the time of their trades:

ROR1 (23) - 0.21 gpg / 0.57 ppg - Highs of 28g / 64p
ROR2 (26) - 0.23 gpg / 0.64 ppg - Highs of 28g / 64p
Kadri (28) - 0.28 gpg / 0.63 ppr - Highs of 32g / 61p
Schenn (25) - 0.25 gpg / 0.57 ppg - Highs of 26g / 59p
Miller (25) - 0.21 gpg / 0.54 ppg - Highs of 23g / 58p

Duchene (27) - 0.30 gpg / 0.73 ppg - Highs of 30g / 70p
Monahan (25) - 0.35 gpg / 0.76 ppg - Highs of 34g / 82p

Monahan is so under rated around here, it's quite comical actually.

I say again, closest comparable is Duchene, and Monahan is younger, slightly more productive and also has 3 years term remaining. Not to mention the Flames won't be trading just for ****s and giggles either. He's our number 1 C and they don't have to trade him.</div></div>

And I’ll say it again, Duchene is hardly the only comparable for Monahan, and the Duchene trade hardly locks in the value of a Monahan return.
You’ve conveniently ignored Monahan’s current season your valuation, and the defensive acumen of guys like O’Reilly and Kadri.

Yes, he is the Flames number one centre and no they don’t have to trade him.
But if they decided they wanted to this off-season, a good NHL player, a prospect and a pick is a reasonable return.
Forum: Armchair-GM8 août 2020 à 12 h 19
Sujet: Take 1
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BurnEmUp</b></div><div>I didn't pick "best case" or "worst case" for either player.

I picked the closest comparable there was available and there really aren't any other ones that are even close....and even you scale back the Duchene return because of your hind sight view point, the return would still be miles better than the OPs, and then you take into account Monahan's better production, younger age and better term left on his contract. It is what it is.

Sean Monahan will cost a ton to acquire or teams can just F off because the Flames don't have to trade him....same as Duchene and the Avs., and there is certainly no way Treliving would trade him for the above weak proposal.</div></div>

You picked the best trade return you could find for a Monahan comparable and you said Mittlestadt is teetering on bust, when he’s 7th in games played and 9th in points in his draft class.

I don’t think history supports you. Top six players are traded for a player a pick and a prospect all the time. It’s kind of a well-known trope.
Montour is a good player, Buffalo’s 2nd is a pretty high pick, and CaseyMittelstadt is a 21-year-old 8th overall pick who has already scored 39 NHL points.

Ryan O’Reilly Is the first comparable that comes to my mind. He’s better than Monahan.
He was traded at age 24, along with a 3rd liner, for Zadorov a late first and two pretty good prospects
He was traded at age 27 for a 1st, a 2nd, a pretty good prospect and 2 cap dumps.

Brayden Schenn is a similar player.
He was traded for a late first and another lottery protected 1st.

J.T. Miller hadn’t proved it yet, but he’s as good as Monahan. He went for a mid 1st and a 3rd.

Vincent Trochek was at Monahan’s level. He fell off and went for just two 3rd liners and two unheralded prospects.

Nazem Kadri effectively went for Tyson Barrie

I think it’s the Duchene trade that was the outlier.
Forum: Armchair-GM7 août 2020 à 13 h 55
Sujet: Take 1
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BurnEmUp</b></div><div>I don't see why he wouldn't have that much value. He's younger than Duchene when Duchene was traded, he has better point production and goal production in his career than Duchene did at the time of the trade, and he's got 3 full seasons left on his contract where as Duchene had less than two seasons left on his. (Note: when it all shook out after Turris was flipped, the Duchene return was roughly equivalent to two 1st round pick, three 2nd round picks and a 3rd round pick)

And no, it can't be done without at least one of Cozens or the 8th overall coming back as PART of the return. If the Flames blow it up and trade their 25 year old #1C they will need something back that might replace him over the next few years. The best chance at that is those two assets, not Mittlestadt who is teetering on bust territory.</div></div>

Hmm..

Isn’t that Ottawa Duchene price considered one of the worst overpays of the past decade?
This is also the same Matt Duchene that was traded 15 months later for a pick in the 2nd half of the first round and two C-level prospects?
And the same Sean Monahan that put up 48 points and a -16 this year?

If you are going pick best case for Sean and worst for Casey, you’ve got to expect others to do the same for your guy.
Forum: Trade Machine Proposals31 juill. 2020 à 1 h 44
Sujet: Expansion cousins help each other out
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>reelkena</b></div><div>We'd do Sutter instead but we just expect Sutter to veto Buffalo.

If we don't take Montour and we do move these contracts we get to keep Tanev. Tanev is better. Here's where our D is at.

Quinn - Tanev (if we can keep)
Edler - Myers (Myers has NMC so we're stuck)

Rathbone - Rafferty - Juolevi - Chatfield (any of them can make the team out of camp, they're all ready or close to ready)

Stetcher (RFA trying to move)

Benn (trying to move)

Fantenberg (UFA but he played well)

We're more full on D than you think.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>reelkena</b></div><div>We'd do Sutter instead but we just expect Sutter to veto Buffalo.

If we don't take Montour and we do move these contracts we get to keep Tanev. Tanev is better. Here's where our D is at.

Quinn - Tanev (if we can keep)
Edler - Myers (Myers has NMC so we're stuck)

Rathbone - Rafferty - Juolevi - Chatfield (any of them can make the team out of camp, they're all ready or close to ready)

Stetcher (RFA trying to move)

Benn (trying to move)

Fantenberg (UFA but he played well)

We're more full on D than you think.</div></div>

I guess, but Edler is 34 and Tanev has a lot of miles.
If it was me, I’d rather have the 25-year-old who fits in better with my core age-wise.
But no worries, this works.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Tjm220</b></div><div>The trouble with Beagle is he’s a $3 million 4th liner and he can’t score any points. He kills penalties and wins face offs, but Girgensons and Larsson can too and cost less even put together. I don’t know if anyone’s going to take on the risk of that contract.</div></div>

From the Sabres perspective for next year, I expect Larsson to sign elsewhere. Beagle is his replacement and the extra salary is the price for Virtanen.
Forum: Trade Machine Proposals30 juill. 2020 à 23 h 11
Sujet: Expansion cousins help each other out
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>reelkena</b></div><div>It's funny because I berate people on here all the time. But they have to start with something stupid I don't just go looking for it.

Here's the thing, Montour is probably rights we would just flip. If he has value to you which it's fair that he does, then we have to find someone else to get because we care only... literally only, about moving contracts. Juolevi was being bounced around in ideas and then he just made the playoff team last night. And he should start vs Min on Sunday. The people we want to move goes like this right now.

Sutter (dump, has medium value)
Roussel (dump, has minimal value)
Baertchi (dump)
Beagle (dump, has minimal value)

Virtanen RFA rights (has reasonable value)
Stetcher RFA rights (has medium value)
Brisebois RFA rights (has minimal value)

We don't know which of out D prospects is gonna make the team next year so we're probably keeping all of those. Sautner is gone, Brisebois is gonna go.

Buf wants Virtanen, fine. We want these contracts gone. Sutter and Roussel might no trade Buf. (they have 15 team NTC's) Beagle has a 5 team NTC and Sven is open.

Lets say full thought, both 15 team players block Buf trades. which is expected.

Can we get Jake, Beagle and Sven to Buf for like a 7th? You need to resign Olofsson now and Rasmus next year so probably not. Beagle is a cheaper Sutter but kills penalties. We wouldn't pay Jake to save just the 2.2 from Sven anyway but 3 is more reasonable.

To Buf

Jake Virtanen (RFA rights)
Jay Beagle 2x 3 mil

To Van

Jean-Sebastian Dea (1x 700k)
2020 5th round pick</div></div>

So basically jake for picking up Beagle’s contract?
I’d do it. Do it for Sutter’s or Baerschi’s instead, as well if you’d rather. Krueger might be able to pull something out of Sven, and we need a defensive specialist if we don’t re-sign Larsson.

Surprised you have no interest in Montour, looking at your D corps.
Forum: Trade Machine Proposals30 juill. 2020 à 23 h 10
Sujet: Expansion cousins help each other out
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>reelkena</b></div><div>It's funny because I berate people on here all the time. But they have to start with something stupid I don't just go looking for it.

Here's the thing, Montour is probably rights we would just flip. If he has value to you which it's fair that he does, then we have to find someone else to get because we care only... literally only, about moving contracts. Juolevi was being bounced around in ideas and then he just made the playoff team last night. And he should start vs Min on Sunday. The people we want to move goes like this right now.

Sutter (dump, has medium value)
Roussel (dump, has minimal value)
Baertchi (dump)
Beagle (dump, has minimal value)

Virtanen RFA rights (has reasonable value)
Stetcher RFA rights (has medium value)
Brisebois RFA rights (has minimal value)

We don't know which of out D prospects is gonna make the team next year so we're probably keeping all of those. Sautner is gone, Brisebois is gonna go.

Buf wants Virtanen, fine. We want these contracts gone. Sutter and Roussel might no trade Buf. (they have 15 team NTC's) Beagle has a 5 team NTC and Sven is open.

Lets say full thought, both 15 team players block Buf trades. which is expected.

Can we get Jake, Beagle and Sven to Buf for like a 7th? You need to resign Olofsson now and Rasmus next year so probably not. Beagle is a cheaper Sutter but kills penalties. We wouldn't pay Jake to save just the 2.2 from Sven anyway but 3 is more reasonable.

To Buf

Jake Virtanen (RFA rights)
Jay Beagle 2x 3 mil

To Van

Jean-Sebastian Dea (1x 700k)
2020 5th round pick</div></div>

So basically jake for picking up Beagle’s contract?
I’d do it. Do it for Sutter’s I stead, as well if you’d rather.

Surprised you have no interest in Montour, looking at your D corps.