That's the point, Jones is staying around until he is bought out or traded for an equally crap contract

you were the first one to bring up draft status saying Merkley's value is less then any 1st overall pick just because he was drafted later

no, you were the first one to bring up draft status because you wanted to compare my saying a late 1st rounder turining into a top 4 defender was a maybe (it is) to the first over all turning into a top 6 winger (which isnt). The drafting thing is aaaaall on you. Mid 1st round picks are often depth players, top picks are often super stars. there is a significant gap and you wanted to pretend they were some sort of comparable to make your own prospect look better.

Umm, Drsydale is 2 years younger. That's quite significant.

Sorry bud, But Merkley is worth more. As much as I like Anderson, he is a UFA who had an off year. His value is not going to be huge right now. In reality, he got similar return to Merkley value when the leafs got him, maybe a tiny bit more. But his value has gone down a bit. So that's why I think Freddy is worth a late first or early second.

Ok fine. But remember you are getting Freddy in this deal too. I accounted for that.

Not really. They finished 3rd last in the whole NHL, and show no signs of getting better with an old lineup. Sure it's possible. But I think the chances are higher the Sens make the playoffs over the sharks.

yes I know I used Merkley's numbers in his 17-18 season which is the season before he got drafted. He averaged over a point per game that season.

bud you just exposed yourself in this post lol

you said yourself in this post that a mid round pick turning into a top 4 defenseman is unlikely and THEN I brought up the 1st overall pick thing. I agree, the 1st overall pick is usually this best but that's not the case every single time.

You gotta slow down here hoss, you're so excited for the kill shot that you arnt even looking back at the trail. I said Merkley, the prospect MIGHT become a top 4 D. I never mentioned his draft position or anything of the like. That is when YOU countered with the Lafrenier point and brought draft position into the fold because you implied that a mid round defender with warts was some how comparable to a consensus 1st over all player.
SO, now that we have that clarified, let's get down to brass tacks. Merkley is a project prospect, he has done better since his draft stock but he is still very much in the process of proving his worth. He is not worth near as much as you pretend he is worth.

Oh ok. You didn't explain, so I just assumed that you used this seasons for both. My bad. Still have a hard time calling him worth a top 10 pick.

saying that Laf may be good one day isn't bringing up draft position. You said this trade is bad for Toronto because Merkley "might" be good some day. I replied by saying every single hockey prospect to ever play hockey might be good some day, but no one can be 100% sure right when their drafted. That has nothing to do with draft position.

I also never said Merkley is comparable to Laf

no, i said he might be a top four defender one day. You used that as a chance to compare him to the consensus number one draft pick in this years draft a "might" be good one day. This was a bad comparison.

I compared them because all prospects share things in common, one of them being that no one knows with 100% certainty that they'll be good when they're drafted. Are the chances higher that Laf becomes a more productive player than Merkley? Yes, without a doubt, but neither one will definitely be a great player with 100% certainty.

wait, i thought you said you didnt compare them?

They aren't comparable meaning in terms of skill

Man, you guys are really getting a good argument going! I like it.

yeah lol