No thanks

I don’t understand why you are wanting to trade for Hamilton at all. He just isn’t a good defenseman. The only thing he has is size & physicality. He is a poor skater, can’t move the puck & is horrible defensively. The only reason why people think he’s good is because Slavin is carrying him.

What bout that for Seth Jones?

One for one for Marner if they want it then yes. But you're giving away far too much for one player. Don't underestimate the value of 1st rounders, especially if your team is good at drafting (which Toronto has been in recent years)

KK I'll try one

As a Bruins fan, yes please do this deal. The Toronto media would chew up Hamilton so fast. I also remember Hamilton no showing in the series against Boston last year. TOR needs a physical, hard hitting, shot blocking guy on the backend. You don't need soccer's on defense, you need guys that will stop the other team from scoring.

Agreed

Be cautious of it though because they don't really need another winger. Columbus' main issue is down the middle, and if they were to ever trade jones and take on more salary, it would likely be for a center.

In terms of how good the two players are, a Jones-Marner deal sounds good, but it might not make sense for them.

LMAO don't bother. Marner is one of the worst, most overpaid & overrated players in the game. You’re delusional if you think he can fetch you Jones. I’m telling ya, you’d be lucky to get a 7th in return for someone to eat his contract.

You've BADLY got that wrong.

Slavin can't move the puck, Slavin isn't the mobile one, and Slavin is just bad offensively. Dougie is the best puck mover in hockey from the blueline, there's all sorts of analytics to back that him. His defence isn't ideal, but he's a top 10 D man easy, I'd make the case he's the best D man in hockey as an analytics head. I know you're now gonna go ballistic, but I seriously suggest you handle this rationally because I do think you're just not up to date with how good Hamilton is.

Hold it. He's a very good defenceman, but for all of the reasons that the leafs don't need. He's big, but not physical at all. He's a very strong skater and puck mover, but I don't think he's any better than slightly above average in the D zone. If you need an offensive puck moving D man on your team, he'd make sense to trade for - I wouldn't trade this much, but he'd make sense for a team like that.

From the leafs perspective, they need a more rugged, defensive, physical guy who can eat big minutes on the back end.

Agree Hamilton is a horrible defenseman. His advanced analytics are replacement level. He’s only recently been getting rated because he has Slavin elevating his game making him look elite. I’d take Brandon Carlo over him any day.

You also genuinely think Kane is better than Gretzky so I'm not even going to entertain that. Marner is a top young forward in the league. Kane is a great player and one of the best in his generation, but he's not even #1 in his generation, let alone all time lol.

That's a stretch

Um.... I think Carolina reject this for a few reasons.

1) Cap. Svech is an RFA, and Marner will literally eat ALL of our cap space.

2) We don't need playmakers. Staal, Foegele, Necas, TT, Martinook, Dzingel, hell even Aho can pass the puck around a corner.

3) RHD. We have 2 of them under contract next year. Pesce and Dougie, and neither is going without a RHD coming back. Maybe if Dermott is Holl this isn't a problem, but....

4) Carolina are a bigger analytically based organisation than Toronto are. You're gonna say Toronto are the biggest Organisation in hockey, and I'ma point out that's not what I said. Carolina have the best analytical mind in hockey in most people's minds with Erik Tulsky. With what he does, Hamilton is going to get a league max deal before they trade him.

Value wise, It's there. I don't think this fixes any of our issues at all though.

Best D man is a major stretch. You can make an argument for top 10 maybe, but I personally need to see more consistency year over year to make that conclusion. He's a valuable puck mover from the back end, but like you said, his defence isn't ideal, he does have a lot of giveaways, and isn't the most physical guy, which is why Hamilton to the leafs doesn't particularly make sense.

Hamilton is the best analytical D man in hockey, what are you smoking?

I agree he isn't a fit for the leafs, but speaking purely analytically, no one was close to dougie this year. I believe heavily in analytics because stats do not lie, and I'd take that position. However, I understand those who maybe don't rely on analytics so much.

Fair enough. I like to use analytics to support what I see on the ice, rather than vice versa, if that makes sense. Dougie is very good offensively, among the top of the league for sure. Defensively, I think he has to improve. He's lucky enough to play on such a defensively stacked team, and it really frees him up- kind of like how Hainsey freed up rielly in his 72 point year, only instead of Ron Hainsey its Jacob Slavin

I do just want to correct you, 99% of Canes fans will eat you alive for misspelling Jaccob Slavin with 2 c's. He's extremely religious and yadda yadda yadda, you don't care about that, let's talk Dougie.

I actually think Dougie is underrated defensively. I think Slavin helps a LOT because it cannot possible hurt. Slavin is the best DFD in the league by writers standards. He won the Langway at the half-way mark for a reason, but Dougie. I think if you take Dougie and put him next to someone like Haydn Fleury, who doesn't have that same reputation, Dougie's defensive stats don't take a leap backwards. They'll fall because it's Jaccob F***king Slavin, but I don't think you're gonna see him drop to Josi levels of bad (Josi has HORRIFIC analytics defensively, well.... for a top 20 D man, it's better than most D men). Dougie does play on the PK, where Slavin can't carry him so much, and he flourishes.

Is Marner a better player than Matthews? Nope. Eichel? Nope. He’s not even better than Kyle Connor & Matthew Tkachuk. Hell, I’d even take DeBrincat & Boeser over him. He’s no where near a top player in the game, or even in his position. Stop lying to yourself & stop this nonsense.

Idk. I see him a lot like Rielly, but maybe a bit better offensively and a bit worse defensively. Put him beside Ron Hainsey, Zaitsev, disgruntled Barrie, Ceci, and a forward group that doesn't believe in defence, and I don't think he'd be nearly as good statistically (I don't think he's good defensively eye-test wise) in his own end as he is, and I think his production might be down too because he doesn't have slavin to rely on.

Not trying to bash Hamilton- he's really good, but you've gotta take him for his strengths. At the end of the day, this argument doesn't matter much as long as Carolina continues to play as they have defensively, but on the leafs, I don't think you'd get the same results- maybe if he played with muzzin or even rielly, but if you swapped his position with rielly, I don't think he'd do as well as he is. But again, I like Dougie, and I think because he's such a perfect fit in CAR, this argument doesn't really matter

Mattthews>Eichel>>>>>Tkachuk>Marner>>>Connor>>Boeser>Debrincat

I don’t care how many points Slavin puts up cuz it’s not his job. As a defenseman, it’s your job to defend & Hamilton isn’t capable of that. If he is so good, why did he get traded twice? Look at his analytics from before he came to Carolina & got paired with Slavin. God awful, his possession, shot & scoring chance differentials are all below par. Slavin’s results have always been excellent. So let’s stop acting like Hamilton is better than Slavin cuz he isn’t. Clearly one is getting benefitted by the other & that isn’t Slavin.

They’re all better than Marner. I’d even take Alex Tuch over him.