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Murray and McLeod revised

Créé par: BeterChiarelli
Équipe: 2020-21 Oilers d'Edmonton
Date de création initiale: 7 mars 2020
Publié: 7 mars 2020
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
In order to refocus the previous thread.
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
LISTE DE RÉSERVEANSCAP HIT
2825 000 $
3925 000 $
3925 000 $
3775 000 $
RFAANSCAP HIT
13 000 000 $
64 655 000 $
22 000 000 $
2825 000 $
2875 000 $
86 400 000 $
2825 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
21 050 000 $
2875 000 $
Transactions
1.
EDM
  1. Murray, Matt [Droits de RFA]
PIT
  1. Larsson, Adam
  2. Puljujärvi, Jesse [Liste de réserve]
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2020 (EDM)
2.
EDM
  1. McLeod, Michael
  2. Choix de 4e ronde en 2021 (NJD)
NJD
  1. Benson, Tyler
  2. Cairns, Matthew [Liste de réserve]
  3. Chiasson, Alex
  4. Choix de 6e ronde en 2021 (PIT)
3.
EDM
  1. Spacek, Michael [Droits de RFA]
  2. Choix de 5e ronde en 2021 (WPG)
WPG
  1. Russell, Kris (2 000 000 $ retained)
4.
Rachats de contrats
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
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2020
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Logo de EDM
2021
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Logo de EDM
Logo de EDM
Logo de NJD
Logo de WPG
Logo de EDM
Logo de EDM
2022
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Logo de EDM
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Logo de EDM
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2284 000 000 $82 676 866 $341 534 $1 312 500 $1 323 134 $

Formation

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Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
6 000 000 $6 000 000 $
AG, C
UFA - 1
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
8 500 000 $8 500 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 5
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
894 166 $894 166 $ (Bonis de performance230 000 $$230K)
AD
RFA - 1
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
3 000 000 $3 000 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
12 500 000 $12 500 000 $
C
UFA - 6
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
3 200 000 $3 200 000 $
AD
UFA - 4
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
1 050 000 $1 050 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
1 500 000 $1 500 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 2
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
834 167 $834 167 $ (Bonis de performance82 500 $$82K)
C
RFA - 2
Logo de Devils du New Jersey
863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance500 000 $$500K)
C
RFA - 1
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
5 750 000 $5 750 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 3
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
875 000 $875 000 $
C
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
4 167 000 $4 167 000 $
DG
UFA - 3
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
4 655 000 $4 655 000 $
DD
UFA - 2
6 400 000 $6 400 000 $
G
UFA - 4
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
5 600 000 $5 600 000 $
DG
UFA - 2
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance500 000 $$500K)
DD
RFA - 3
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
4 500 000 $4 500 000 $
G
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
850 000 $850 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 2
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
DD
UFA - 2
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
875 000 $875 000 $
AG
UFA - 1
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
875 000 $875 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 2

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8 mars 2020 à 17 h 25
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Quoting: BeterChiarelli
I can live with this as well. Larsson was initially included because of the void Schultz will be making when he leaves this summer. Figured the Penguins had a need, tried to address it beyond just doing a trade for futures.



Nah, took the missus out for dinner and a movie. I'm cursed with Saturday-night games. We never win if I tune in on Saturdays, so I took one for the lads. 60% of the time, it works 100% of the time.



I'll keep banging the "don't sign Lehner" drum for as long as I can. Neither a short nor long term deal is optimal for Edmonton. Murray is the way. I'll remain defiant about that.

Not picking a fight here, but will Calgary remain in a playoff spot to finish the season? The Bettman point has done a lot of lifting for that franchise this season.



While the Penguins would net more in an offersheet, those don't happen. The Aho one this past summer hardly counts, as Montreal basically gave Carolina a free sweetheart deal in the end.


Yeah but Murray hasn’t really played well enough to warrant a significant raise and the pens have the cap room to keep both tbh.
9 mars 2020 à 8 h 53
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Of the 30 goalies that have played at least 35 games this year:

4. Lehner: .920
5. Markstrom: .918
6. Koskinen: .917
8. Crawford: .916
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27. Murray: .898
28. Holtby: .897

Why are you even doing this? If you want a crappy "name-brand" goalie to back-up Koskinen next year, just sign Braden Holtby. That won't cost you a single asset and he'll surely sign for less than the ridiculous 8 x $6.4M deal you have above.

Let Pittsburgh find out the hard way that the goalie market is totally saturated this summer and they won't get to set the price for Matt Murray. Unless, of course, he backstops them to another Cup.
9 mars 2020 à 16 h 47
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Quoting: CD282
Of the 30 goalies that have played at least 35 games this year:

4. Lehner: .920
5. Markstrom: .918
6. Koskinen: .917
8. Crawford: .916
.
.
.
.
27. Murray: .898
28. Holtby: .897

Why are you even doing this? If you want a crappy "name-brand" goalie to back-up Koskinen next year, just sign Braden Holtby. That won't cost you a single asset and he'll surely sign for less than the ridiculous 8 x $6.4M deal you have above.

Let Pittsburgh find out the hard way that the goalie market is totally saturated this summer and they won't get to set the price for Matt Murray. Unless, of course, he backstops them to another Cup.


C'mon man you know the sample size I'm looking at is more than 35 games. Don't handpick the smaller window to justify overpaying Lehner or Holtby
9 mars 2020 à 16 h 59
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C'mon man you know the sample size I'm looking at is more than 35 games. Don't handpick the smaller window to justify overpaying Lehner or Holtby


The sample size is the entire 2019-20 season, not 35 games. And Holtby has been below average for 3 years now, if that's not a large enough sample size for you I don't know what is. I'm not advocating getting Holtby at all.
9 mars 2020 à 19 h 5
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The sample size is the entire 2019-20 season, not 35 games. And Holtby has been below average for 3 years now, if that's not a large enough sample size for you I don't know what is. I'm not advocating getting Holtby at all.


I must've misinterpreted your initial post then: your minimum value for this season was 35, I read it as guys that have played 35 games.

If Edmonton wants a long-term solution to its goalie situation - and we're in agreement that one of Rodrigue/Konovalov are 2 to 3 years away from being a full-time NHL backup - then Edmonton has very few options. You're either committing term to a tenured UFA/RFA or you're rolling the dice on a relatively unproven backup. The Oilers took the second approach with Talbot and managed a quality year out of him, but little else.

The UFA market for starters is not saturated. The market for quality back-up goaltenders is. The only goaltender on the UFA market younger than 30 with a save percentage above .900 this summer is Lehner. The only other sub-30 year old goaltender going to free agency this summer with more than 10 games played is Louis Domingue. The cost for Lehner is going to be insane, both in term and in cash dollars. When evaluating goaltenders over a three-year window by 5v5 save percentage and a minimum TOI of 3000min, Lehner ranks 13th in the league with a 0.927sv%. Khudobin and Halak find themselves on this list as well - 1st (0.934) and 12th (0.927) respectively - but neither of these represent a long-term solution nor a smart bet to give starter minutes to. Khudobin will be 36 and Halak 37 come the end of this season. How much longer can they maintain their dominance at even strength? Which team will be foolish enough to give Markstrom or Holtby - both 30 as of right now - term and dollars? Both men are near the .920sv% mark at even strength over that same three year window and won't cost as much as Lehner or an RFA netminder would.

The RFA market offers more solutions, but these by nature come at asset cost. In some cases, there's risk due to the lack of games played. Does this goaltender have enough of a track record to justify giving up pieces to acquire him? Jarry, Merzlikins, and Blackwood are likely all untouchable right now. This leaves the Oilers with their choice of a very unproven Adin Hill, Linus Ullmark, Joonas Korpisalo, Alexandar Georgiev, or Matt Murray as their only real targets for a long-term solution. Because the sample size for most of these guys is smaller, I'm limited in observing data from this season and last season: when sorting by even-strength save percentage, Ullmark ranks 25th (0.923), Murray 30th (0.922), Korpisalo 38th (0.919), Hill 39th (0.919), and Georgiev 52nd (0.915). To me, it comes down to Ullmark and Murray, but the Sabres have little to no incentive to flip Linus instead of Hutton this summer. An argument could be made for Korpisalo, but I genuinely prefer the bulk of experience Murray has seen thus far in his career.

Murray has had an awful season, but how much of it has been beyond his control? The Penguins, especially of late, have been garbage, and over the course of the season have rarely iced a full roster. A player we essentially gave away became a mainstay in their top four out of necessity due to injury. Jarry has thrived in relation to Murray, but there's a myriad of reasons that would explain that. It could be something as simple as Jarry being a better goaltender, but it could be a nagging minor injury, a lack of confidence from the local Yinzers bagging on him nightly, the team not wanting to perform in front of him, Jarry getting the better lineup in front of him more often, you name it.

I've already revised my ask from a previous AGM. I figure this one is as close as taking Larsson out of the equation. Possible that a year and half a million dollars could be shed from Murray's pricetag as well. Unless the Sabres think Ullmark is the problem, Murray is the only "safe" long-term solution to the Oilers' need of a goaltender. Korpisalo is a riskier fit.
9 mars 2020 à 20 h 19
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I must've misinterpreted your initial post then: your minimum value for this season was 35, I read it as guys that have played 35 games.

If Edmonton wants a long-term solution to its goalie situation - and we're in agreement that one of Rodrigue/Konovalov are 2 to 3 years away from being a full-time NHL backup - then Edmonton has very few options. You're either committing term to a tenured UFA/RFA or you're rolling the dice on a relatively unproven backup. The Oilers took the second approach with Talbot and managed a quality year out of him, but little else.

The UFA market for starters is not saturated. The market for quality back-up goaltenders is. The only goaltender on the UFA market younger than 30 with a save percentage above .900 this summer is Lehner. The only other sub-30 year old goaltender going to free agency this summer with more than 10 games played is Louis Domingue. The cost for Lehner is going to be insane, both in term and in cash dollars. When evaluating goaltenders over a three-year window by 5v5 save percentage and a minimum TOI of 3000min, Lehner ranks 13th in the league with a 0.927sv%. Khudobin and Halak find themselves on this list as well - 1st (0.934) and 12th (0.927) respectively - but neither of these represent a long-term solution nor a smart bet to give starter minutes to. Khudobin will be 36 and Halak 37 come the end of this season. How much longer can they maintain their dominance at even strength? Which team will be foolish enough to give Markstrom or Holtby - both 30 as of right now - term and dollars? Both men are near the .920sv% mark at even strength over that same three year window and won't cost as much as Lehner or an RFA netminder would.

The RFA market offers more solutions, but these by nature come at asset cost. In some cases, there's risk due to the lack of games played. Does this goaltender have enough of a track record to justify giving up pieces to acquire him? Jarry, Merzlikins, and Blackwood are likely all untouchable right now. This leaves the Oilers with their choice of a very unproven Adin Hill, Linus Ullmark, Joonas Korpisalo, Alexandar Georgiev, or Matt Murray as their only real targets for a long-term solution. Because the sample size for most of these guys is smaller, I'm limited in observing data from this season and last season: when sorting by even-strength save percentage, Ullmark ranks 25th (0.923), Murray 30th (0.922), Korpisalo 38th (0.919), Hill 39th (0.919), and Georgiev 52nd (0.915). To me, it comes down to Ullmark and Murray, but the Sabres have little to no incentive to flip Linus instead of Hutton this summer. An argument could be made for Korpisalo, but I genuinely prefer the bulk of experience Murray has seen thus far in his career.

Murray has had an awful season, but how much of it has been beyond his control? The Penguins, especially of late, have been garbage, and over the course of the season have rarely iced a full roster. A player we essentially gave away became a mainstay in their top four out of necessity due to injury. Jarry has thrived in relation to Murray, but there's a myriad of reasons that would explain that. It could be something as simple as Jarry being a better goaltender, but it could be a nagging minor injury, a lack of confidence from the local Yinzers bagging on him nightly, the team not wanting to perform in front of him, Jarry getting the better lineup in front of him more often, you name it.

I've already revised my ask from a previous AGM. I figure this one is as close as taking Larsson out of the equation. Possible that a year and half a million dollars could be shed from Murray's pricetag as well. Unless the Sabres think Ullmark is the problem, Murray is the only "safe" long-term solution to the Oilers' need of a goaltender. Korpisalo is a riskier fit.


TL DR, you're twisting yourself into knots trying to solve a problem that isn't there: the Oilers aren't looking for a long-term starter but a short-term 1B to replace Smith. Koskinen is their starter for the next 2 years. He's 6th among starters this year, you can't ask for more. One of the prospects is likely to be the long-term solution.
 
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