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Is it Enough

Créé par: melloni17
Date de création initiale: mar 5, 2020
Publié: 5 mar à 15 h 23
Équipe: 2020-21 Sabres de Buffalo
Explications
This trade was proposed by Craig Rivet on the Instigators (Sabres radio show) this morning. His reasons why Detroit may be open to the idea were pretty convincing. You can listen to his ideas on radio.com
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
Kahun, Dominik21 500 000 $
Ullmark, Linus22 250 000 $
Thompson, Tage11 250 000 $
Reinhart, Sam67 250 000 $
Pilut, Lawrence21 500 000 $
Olofsson, Victor23 500 000 $
Montour, Brandon44 250 000 $
Lazar, Curtis21 250 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
Girgensons, Zemgus22 250 000 $
Larsson, Johan22 250 000 $
Simmonds, Wayne22 750 000 $
Transactions
BUF
  1. Larkin, Dylan
Détails additionnels:
this trade give Detroit 2 picks likely in the top 5 this draft plus a highly rated young Dman and a very young and raw center plus an addition high 2nd round pick
DET
  1. Mittelstadt, Casey [Droits de RFA]
  2. Johnson, Ryan [Liste de réserve]
  3. 2020 1e round pick (BUF)
  4. 2020 2e round pick (BUF)
Détails additionnels:
Mitts is 3 2+ years younger
Johnson was 31st overall last year
buffalo 2020 1st likely to be top 5 pick
Rachats de contrats
  • Cody Hodgson: 791 667 $
  • Christian Ehrhoff: 0 $
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2020
BUF
BUF
BUF
DAL
2021
BUF
BUF
BUF
BUF
BUF
2022
BUF
BUF
BUF
BUF
BUF
BUF
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2284 000 000 $83 116 667 $0 $3 487 500 $883 333 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
BUF
Olofsson, Victor
3 500 000 $
AG, AD
RFA
BUF
Eichel, Jack
10 000 000 $
C
UFA - 6
BUF
Reinhart, Sam
7 250 000 $
AD, C
RFA
BUF
Skinner, Jeff
9 000 000 $
AG, AD
NMC
UFA - 7
DET
Larkin, Dylan
6 100 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 3
BUF
Johansson, Marcus
4 500 000 $
C, AG, AD
NTC
UFA - 1
BUF
Kahun, Dominik
1 500 000 $
AG, AD, C
RFA
BUF
Lazar, Curtis
1 250 000 $
C, AD
RFA
BUF
Simmonds, Wayne
2 750 000 $
AD, AG
UFA
BUF
Larsson, Johan
2 250 000 $
C, AG
UFA
BUF
Girgensons, Zemgus
2 250 000 $
C, AG
UFA
BUF
Okposo, Kyle
6 000 000 $
AD
NTC
UFA - 3
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
BUF
Dahlin, Rasmus
925 000 $
DG
RFA - 1
BUF
Jokiharju, Henri
925 000 $
DD
RFA - 1
BUF
Hutton, Carter
2 750 000 $
G
UFA - 1
BUF
McCabe, Jake
2 850 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
BUF
Ristolainen, Rasmus
5 400 000 $
DD
UFA - 2
BUF
Ullmark, Linus
2 250 000 $
G
RFA
BUF
Pilut, Lawrence
1 500 000 $
DG
RFA
BUF
Montour, Brandon
4 250 000 $
DD
RFA
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
BUF
Thompson, Tage
1 250 000 $
C, AD
RFA
BUF
Miller, Colin
3 875 000 $
DD
UFA - 2

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5 mar à 15 h 27
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https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/1667978
Here are some comments already on it
5 mar à 15 h 29
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Quoting: wojme
https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/1667978
Here are some comments already on it


What are your thoughts? Did you hear Rivets reasons why he thought they may be open to it?
5 mar à 15 h 35
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laugh laugh Is this a joke? You think Mittelstadt who's best season is 25 points gets you anywhere close to Larkin who's best season is 73 points. Come on man i know Larkin is on Detroit but come on with these trash offers. We already told you that any deal for Larkin starts with at least Dylan Cozens and then add accordingly. Mittelstadt sucks and isn't anywhere close to value for Larkin.
5 mar à 15 h 36
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Quoting: melloni17
What are your thoughts? Did you hear Rivets reasons why he thought they may be open to it?


I did not listen this morning. I'm not sure it would be what Detroit is looking for. Although they are a weird team rn.
5 mar à 15 h 36
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Quoting: DiehardRedWingsFan58
laugh laugh Is this a joke? You think Mittelstadt who's best season is 25 points gets you anywhere close to Larkin who's best season is 73 points. Come on man i know Larkin is on Detroit but come on with these trash offers. We already told you that any deal for Larkin starts with at least Dylan Cozens and then add accordingly. Mittelstadt sucks and isn't anywhere close to value for Larkin.


No need to be this toxic
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5 mar à 15 h 37
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Quoting: DiehardRedWingsFan58
laugh laugh Is this a joke? You think Mittelstadt who's best season is 25 points gets you anywhere close to Larkin who's best season is 73 points. Come on man i know Larkin is on Detroit but come on with these trash offers. We already told you that any deal for Larkin starts with at least Dylan Cozens and then add accordingly. Mittelstadt sucks and isn't anywhere close to value for Larkin.


Clearly he doesnt thats why he added 3 more pieces, Wtf
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5 mar à 15 h 41
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Quoting: Shibbal18
Clearly he doesnt thats why he added 3 more pieces, Wtf


Get real the only decent piece he added was Buffalo's 2020 1st round pick which is what #7 overall. Other then that it's worthless.
5 mar à 15 h 42
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Quoting: DiehardRedWingsFan58
Get real the only decent piece he added was Buffalo's 2020 1st round pick which is what #8 overall. Other then that it's worthless.


I didnt comment on the trade itself, just the dumb toxic comment.
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5 mar à 15 h 45
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Quoting: wojme
No need to be this toxic


This crap was proposed before and we told them No, Any deal for Larkin would need to include Cozens for starters. If you can't wholeheartedly make a decent attempt then don't make one.
5 mar à 15 h 47
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Quoting: Shibbal18
I didnt comment on the trade itself, just the dumb toxic comment.


Dumb toxic comment, Yeah okay. How about Zadina+Cholowski+Detroit's 2020 2nd round pick for Jack Eichel now that's toxic.
5 mar à 16 h 02
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Quoting: DiehardRedWingsFan58
laugh laugh Is this a joke? You think Mittelstadt who's best season is 25 points gets you anywhere close to Larkin who's best season is 73 points. Come on man i know Larkin is on Detroit but come on with these trash offers. We already told you that any deal for Larkin starts with at least Dylan Cozens and then add accordingly. Mittelstadt sucks and isn't anywhere close to value for Larkin.


If you read my description you would know that this was discussed on the radio this morning by Craig Rivet. Mittlestat is only 1 piece here, Detroint is getting a potetial top 5 pick in this years draft, a high second round and 2 1st round prospects in this deal. i dont think it is all that far off to be honest!
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Quoting: DiehardRedWingsFan58
laugh laugh Is this a joke? You think Mittelstadt who's best season is 25 points gets you anywhere close to Larkin who's best season is 73 points. Come on man i know Larkin is on Detroit but come on with these trash offers. We already told you that any deal for Larkin starts with at least Dylan Cozens and then add accordingly. Mittelstadt sucks and isn't anywhere close to value for Larkin.


If you listen to the reasoning behind it, it makes some sense! by the time Detroit is relevant again Larkin will be in the later stages of his career! If they were to trade him now for good young assets, All of their young prospects grow at the same pace and would all be similar in ages so they could sustain a good team for years to come.
5 mar à 16 h 07
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Quoting: melloni17
If you read my description you would know that this was discussed on the radio this morning by Craig Rivet. Mittlestat is only 1 piece here, Detroint is getting a potetial top 5 pick in this years draft, a high second round and 2 1st round prospects in this deal. i dont think it is all that far off to be honest!


Who the hell is Craig Rivet? Detroit's not trading their future Captain unless it's massive over-payment and this isn't massive over-payment nor does it move the needle. First off the Buffalo 2020 1st round pick would be lottery protected top 3 so anything less and we're not interested. Any deal for Larkin starts with Cozens+Ristolainen+Buffalo's 2020 1st round pick #7 overall non-protected and then some.
5 mar à 16 h 13
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Quoting: melloni17
If you listen to the reasoning behind it, it makes some sense! by the time Detroit is relevant again Larkin will be in the later stages of his career! If they were to trade him now for good young assets, All of their young prospects grow at the same pace and would all be similar in ages so they could sustain a good team for years to come.


You act like Larkin is 28 years old or something, Larkin will be 24 the end of July. Detroit's not that far off from being relevant again. Not like Buffalo is any better they've far more talent then Detroit and still are garbage. Not moving Larkin for scraps and yes that's scraps. If Buffalo wants Larkin then a conversations starts with Cozens and then some not Mittelstadt.
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Quoting: DiehardRedWingsFan58
Who the hell is Craig Rivet? Detroit's not trading their future Captain unless it's massive over-payment and this isn't massive over-payment nor does it move the needle. First off the Buffalo 2020 1st round pick would be lottery protected top 3 so anything less and we're not interested. Any deal for Larkin starts with Cozens+Ristolainen+Buffalo's 2020 1st round pick #7 overall non-protected and then some.


first off if you are a hockey fan you should know who Craig Rivet is. Retired player who now hosts a Sabres radio show, there is NO protection on this 1st round pick. Obviously if the Sabres were to win the lottery this trade most likely doesnt go through. Mittlestat was an 8th overall pick and is only 21 yrs old with huge upside. his development was botched by the Sabres basically bringing him from High school to the NHL. Johnson was a 1st round pick last season and is a very highly ranked defense prospect. so in addition to thos players Detroit gets a top 10 pick in this years draft and a 2nd round pick most likely still in the top 40 picks in the draft. nobody is saying this is realistic, just a convo!
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Quoting: DiehardRedWingsFan58
You act like Larkin is 28 years old or something, Larkin will be 24 the end of July. Detroit's not that far off from being relevant again. Not like Buffalo is any better they've far more talent then Detroit and still are garbage. Not moving Larkin for scraps and yes that's scraps. If Buffalo wants Larkin then a conversations starts with Cozens and then some not Mittelstadt.


by the time their draft picks from this season and next season pan out Larkin will be 28! lmao
5 mar à 16 h 19
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Quoting: melloni17
by the time their draft picks from this season and next season pan out Larkin will be 28! lmao


Got news for you Dude, Eichel is the same age as Larkin and Buffalo is nowhere near being a cup contender. So i guess you had better deal Eichel for scraps. Because there's no way Buffalo wins a cup anytime soon.
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See, the premise here is all wrong. The question you need to ask is "what if Dylan Larkin asks for a trade". When you do that, then you can offer any painless quantity package and smugly justify it by saying "well if he demands a trade then you just can't expect to get full value".
5 mar à 16 h 23
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Quoting: DiehardRedWingsFan58
Got news for you Dude, Eichel is the same age as Larkin and Buffalo is nowhere near being a cup contender. So i guess you had better deal Eichel for scraps. Because there's no way Buffalo wins a cup anytime soon.


look dude I didnt come up with this idea! no need to get all pissy! its most likely NEVER going to happen for way more reasons than either of us can comprehend! you need to relax! FYI Rivet was Captian of Montreal, Buffalo, and i believe San Jose! learn something
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Quoting: DiehardRedWingsFan58
Got news for you Dude, Eichel is the same age as Larkin and Buffalo is nowhere near being a cup contender. So i guess you had better deal Eichel for scraps. Because there's no way Buffalo wins a cup anytime soon.


And hes not as good as Eichel! just sayin!
5 mar à 16 h 28
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Quoting: melloni17
And hes not as good as Eichel! just sayin!


Never said he was? But bottom line is Buffalo is trash as well. And Eichel will be up there in age before they even come close to sniffing the cup.
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What surprises me about this entire conversation is that there are 22 comments and not one has brought up an obvious (to me) question: why in the world would anyone think Steve Yzerman is going to trade a local hero who took a discount to sign with the Red Wings? Am I missing something here? And don't tell me Well, hockey's a business and that doesn't enter into the equation -- because Yzerman knows that if he trades Larkin, he can look forward to at least some form of fan protest for at least the next year.

Yzerman could have had any job in the NHL once he left Tampa. He came back to Detroit -- for the same reason that he won't trade Larkin, no matter what the package is. And don't start with the OldNYIfan said he wouldn't trade Dylan Larkin even for Brayden Point and Victor Hedman or Leon Draisaitl and Philip Broberg and Evan Bouchard, because we're trying to stay in this universe of semi-realism,
 
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