you should sell high on Larkin , and Mantha now before the craziness of an Expansion draft throw's established value's well below asking price (assuming Seattle is taking the VGK approach not the MIN approach to building a team )

Larkin to a team like EDM could get you RNH plus a conditional 1st
His production dropped but that's because he's averaging 21 minutes taking over 700/1100 total DET faceoffs
Given he played 21 minutes last year averaging 70+ points in a less defensive role with more help on faceoffs it tell me at 23 he'll bounce back offensively .

very few NHL players can log those minutes so you'll no doubt get an Established NHL Star like RNH and a 1st if not an additional pick/prospect .
Given Ken Holland knows Larkins skillset first hand as well as RNH i am sure he'd jump at the chance to get a younger more skilled Center

Mantha's a consistent 20 goal scorer who's never hit 50 points and the 25 year olds in his Prime years from now until age 29-30.
He may hit 30 goals but he'll never hit 40 due to consistency issues . Similar to Lars Eller he can steal games putting up 3-5 points including a couple goals by himself but he can go games without a point .

Unlike Larkin ,Mantha isnt a complete 2 way Center who can log 21 minutes plus by playing top line , top PP and top PK consistently every year as such his value will be much lower as far as Prospects and likely land a 1st and 2nd basing most the value in picks .

If it was TML hypothetically trading for Mantha i'd say Andreas Johansson , 1st and a 2nd for Mantha

Lol maybe watch a game and not just go by stats. Larkin isn't moving unless we are getting someone like Connor MacdAvid. It's more then just stars, so his numbers are decreasing because the team is **** right now so they can focus on stopping one line. Read my words Larkin goes nowhere and 0 wings fans want him to gone. Triple thumbs down to your post

if you cant offer something that's alright

I can see we're clearly on different Intellectual Levels after you said something as Stunned as getting Mcdavid for Larkin who's not even a top 10 NHL player regularly . . . . . . . . .
I mean usually counter points are meant to be reasonable and create a debate that establishes middle ground .

you just do things by Extreme's one way or another which is a bit unsettling .
After Justin Bourque i tend not to indulge people who live life by such extreme's as it sends the message their behavior is ok

His point was that Larkin is so valued in Detroit, the only way hes moving is a giant overpayment, something nobody would do. Hes the cornerstone of our rebuild. Mantha is also not going anywhere. He is a 30 goal scorer, if he played a full season he would have two 30 goal years by now.

100% I didn't say that trade was fair, was just saying it's more than stats with Larkin, especially to red wings fans. So unless it was a huge overpayment we aren't moving him for anything. If your not a wings fan you just dont get it.

that's your point you made very intelligently .
thanks for that by the way its appreciated .

That being said calling Mantha a 30 goal scorer is like me calling Domi a 30 goal scorer
its simply not based on fact despite coming really close they didnt hit it .

Players Value is based on what they have done otherwise Gallagher would be a 40 goal player if he didnt bust up his right hand 3 times inside 12 months over 2 seasons . But he's not despite the fact he could have been .

See how much easier it is when people contribute intelligently ?

I'm honored to be even be able to post a comment in the same thread as a genius like you, your intelligence level is just too high for the armchair GM community. If i may, let me at least try to articulate a thought that can reach your level of thinking. Larkin for Mcdavid is a fair value trade.

Larkin for RNH+Conditional 1st is this a royal joke? Dude don't even post if you can't come up with something more realistic and substantial. Larkin for Draisaitl perhaps.

Mantha for Andreas Johansson+2020 1st round pick+2021 2nd round pick Mantha is worth more then this. And besides Mantha will probably get at least 8 x 7 if not 8 x 7.5 from Detroit no way in hell can Toronto afford him. Mantha would cost at least Nylander Yzerman will want an established player for him or a top notch LHD prospect.

I totally get your point but i think this team is still to early into the rebuild to start switching parts. Maybe in a couple years after they gwt a bit more talent they may reasses the pieces but until then i dont think that happens. I think you see a change of coach this offseason and maybe a system better designed for them than whatever theyre playing now. No player is untouchable and if i got the right offer id move guys, mantha is still streaky and a bit injury prone so he seems more likely than larkin.