2nd round pick and maybe a B prospect (4th line NHL'er)

Kapanen to OTT for Anderson

This works because then Kappy is reunited with Ennis, Hainsey, Zaitsev etc.

Answering your question - Kapanen is worth a pick, a prospect and a roster player to help this year (D or G?). The level of pick, prospect and player depends.

As an example - I do think the Canes would do something like
TVR, A.Forsberg, and a 2nd for Kapanen. This helps you this year by getting a RHD who is solid, a Goalie who would be better then what you have as backup today, and a 2nd round pick. You could replace Forsberg with a B level prospect if you looked elsewhere for Goalie help.

Andrew Shaw, a perennial 30something point player has a single season over 40pts at 27 years old and gets a 2nd and a 3rd
Colin Miller, the oft scratched RD with a single decent season under his belt at 27 years old gets a 2nd and a 5th
Justin Braun, an over 30 defensive defender, gets a 2nd and a 3rd
Marcus Johansson, a consistent 40pt player, gets a 2nd and a 4th as a rental with salary retained, at 28 years old
Gustav Nyquist, a consistent 40pt player, gets a 2nd and a 3rd as a rental (yes, he was enjoying a career year)
Brian Boyle, a 4th liner, keeps getting traded for 2nd round picks
And you think a 40pt 23year old, signed to a good contract for a couple of more years, is going to get a 2nd and "maybe" a B prospect?
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The kid is worth more than all the players I listed above, he'd get a solid return.

agree, he was the main piece going the other way in the kessel trade in 2015...and his value has only gone up since then.

Exactly. He's a former 1st round pick that has done nothing but trend upwards but people just hate the Leafs and Leaf fans so they convince themselves the players are worthless. I'm not saying he'd get a big package of 1st rounders and prospects but he'd get more than a 2nd round pick and a B prospect, thats just silly talk

Yes, that is what he is worth. Sorry.

A couple things. Johansson had a 58pts season not too long ago and battled injuries since. He was also not 100% a rental. Bruins wanted him, he played well enough to get paid.

I think Nyquist is a perfect comparable. Yeah, he is older, but he has also only had one season with as low as Kapanens career high of 44pts.

Expiring contracts are attractive to a lot of teams. I have no idea why Boyle keeps getting the value he gets. I think Nashville fans would agree.

I am not going to compare dmen. Their value isn't a good comparison. Teams freak out and overpay for depth d

He is not really worth more. I think you could get a 2nd and a Gautheir type prospect.

You might be able to find a team that would deal a late 1st, but I doubt it.

I feel like all your examples were backing my opinion. Why do you think he is better than guys who have put up 60pts. In all cases, none of them played with nearly as much talent around them as Kapanen.

No, it hasn't. It's way down. He had 1st line 30 goal potential at time of trade. Now, he is looking like a 3rd line PK'er who can fly but not finish.

All of those players were older and teams value term if the contract is reasonable. To think a team wouldn't pay more for a guy thats locked into a good contract for a couple of years isn't accurate.

In his first and only full season, last year, he put up 20 goals and 44 points.

disagree. Johansson and Nyqvist are decent comparables - maybe Dzingel. I don't care if they are little older. He hasn't produced as much as they have.



And... now he is on pace for 19 goals. He's a fine player, he just not the stud you think he is.

This proves my point that people here just hate the Leafs and their players because they're Leafs
The fact that GMs across the league pay more for players that are younger, have more upside, and are locked into longer contracts as long as those contracts are reasonable just doesn't matter. His comparables are older players that had a good season or two and were sold as rentals because thats the price you want to justify, not being its the price he's cost. You're not basing your opinion on anything other than "because I said so"

Well in fairness. If you look at those players 1st couple years, they are better than Kapanen.

And it's literally you are doing the "because I said so". I gave you my reasoning.

Nyquist 1st two seasons in the league 28g & 27 G
Johansson 1st two - you might have a bit more of an argument, but he was 20 & 21 and put up a high of 47pts.
Dzingel - was a year older but 32pts and 41pts in his 1st two.

Who is his comparable to you?

Hamilton and frolik

For

Kap and ceci

Dougie Hamilton?

How about Anthony Duclair? He went for (2) 2nds

Lol - I think he meant Hanifin Lindholm and Frolik for Ceci and Kapanen. Maybe not, who knows!

What they produced is actually not as important because they weren't traded at 23 years old while still holding potential. GMs will pay for what they think a player can do.
As for a guy to compare him to I'm not sure about a perfect match but
Andre Burakovsky, at 23 years old, an RFA, and never having produced more than 38pts in a year, got a 2nd, 3rd and a prospect. He was also a former 1st round pick but the difference was he wasn't advancing his development in Washington so they took what they could get. Kapanen is doing just fine in Toronto, the Leafs don't need to move him, so I'd expect more than what he got considering he was traded just after a 25pt season

I do get what you are saying, and he might be worth a little more, but I am not sure it's as much as you think. Again. Burakovsky didn't go for that much more. Duclair is a decent comp too ( I think) and he went for (2) 2nds.

As I said, I think you might be able to get a late 1st, but it would be a serious contender(Col, Bos, Wash, TBL STL). Otherwise I think it's a lower ceiling NHL player and a 2nd. Lower level NHL player could be substituted for a 2nd-4th rd pick.

If he were being traded to Toronto now I would say a 2nd and Gauthier or Moore (maybe a 4th too) or Bracco and a 3rd. Something like that.

What am I missing? We seem to be in the same ballpark Scott Kosmachuk was the prospect in the Burakovsky deal. He currently playing in Germany with very little chance of playing in the NHL again (8 Career games)

We're not in the same ballpark because, as I said, they'd be selling high on Kapanen whereas they sold low on Burakovsky.
Also Duclair was sent to the Sens WITH two 2nds, not FOR two 2nds.

I am not sure they would be selling high. He seems to have plateaued. He is on pace for less goals and points than last year. Not saying he won't get better, but selling high was the Kessel deal. This is "As-is"

Haha oops hamonic

he's been put on his off wing too much this year, it hasn't been working and any GM will see that. It should also be expected that he'd plateau in the role he's in. 3rd line, PK, and 2nd PP minutes isn't about to help him produce more. On another team he has the potential to take his offensive game to another level. What he has done is clean up a lot of his game from years prior. He doesn't overhandle the puck as much anymore. He doesn't overskate the puck as much either. His defensive positioning is more sound and his PK abilities have improved. He's a solid player.