so a "rational fan" just uses points to judge players. got it. feel free to leave now thanks

All I'm saying is dont use analytics to solely judge how a player has been it's a good tool but only if it's used right

care to elaborate as to how he is?

I said a mix of points, eye test, analytics, etc. But yes I will leave because this threat is most certainly not my time. Not arguing Jones vs Savard when everyone clearly knows whose better. Or nylander vs marner/ Tavares loooool

Exactly!!! Dyl knows what’s good

what is this crock of ****e

GAR is designed to work with 3-ish years of data. When using the correct sample size, Johnson ranks 7th-worst among everyone who's played for the penguins since the start of the 16-17 season. If we go from the start of last year, Johnson's 4th-wprst among Penguins from that span. Seems about right.



Going from the start of the 17-18 season, Jones ranks 50th in GAR among all dmen with > 3000 minutes in this span, and 25th among all dmen with over 4000. That's not bad, he's right next to Shea Theodore in the 3000 cutoff and right under Ryan Suter in the 4000 cutoff. Certainly not top 5 to ten though, there are plenty better defensemen. (Savard's 27th in the 3000 example and misses the TOI cutoff for the 4000 example).

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In general, I feel analytics should be the immediate baseline unless there's a specific contextual reason that the analytics are missing something.

If you've got one, feel free to share!

oh shoot nvm i just had the wrong years clicked on it lmao

Welcome to analytics vs. eye test round several million. At least it's better than the free speech culture war argument I had on here last night.

When someone says Nylander is better than Tavares, just reply “YAYAYA forsure bro”

is this what you do now that you’re unemployed? IDIOT

bro stfu i have a job, i dont get to live off of my mom's money because, unlike yours, my mom doesnt work in real estate.

Lmao the same site that's ran by people who generally believe
Marcus foligono should be a selkie finalist lmao

neither does mine dumb idiot man

he was the best defensive forward in the league last season so yeah he shouldve been

what if we kissed in the comments of best plyr on every team acgm team

When someone says Nylander is better than Tavares, just reply “YAYAYA forsure bro”

Blackhawks: Kane is better than debrincat currently
Canadians: Price is better than Domi ( hard to compare but yes)
Leafs: Mathews is clearly their best player, maybe top 5 in the league
Vancouver: Petterson is better right now than Boeser and the gap will only get further, but this ones understandable.
Coyotes: Oliver Ekman Larson is just better than Nikk, its not very close.
Nashville: Both Josi and Ellis are better than Ekholm, if you like advanced stats, Ellis might be the biggest analytics darling on the planet, but Josi is no slouch
Jets: Best player is Schefflie ( Cant spell that ****) not very close here either
Carolina: Slavin is way better than Dougie, I love his offense as much as anyone else but Slavin is the best player on that team.
Columbus: Werenski and Jones are both better than Savard, even if hes good defensively its still not very close
Kings: Doughty is better than Walker, I don't care if he has fallen off a bit he's still better, I know analytics don't like him and he is overrated but he is still better
Sharks: I think its Couture, Karelson is obviously great, but his hips and his age are gunna be the end of him here real soon
Dallas: Seguin is better, hard to compare to goalies though so forgivable
Blues: I like Ryan O'Rielly better, i like Alex P. down there better, Parayko is right with him tho, but for me its either O'Rielly or Tarasenko, even though he has taken a decline in the last couple years, he is still the second most prolific scorer in the last 5 years.

Bassically, its an OK list but a lot of over relying on specific analytics, WAR and GaE are great at telling specific stories, but in evaluating a players value overall there is a lot more to look at than what is really worth your time to weed through.

But mentioning good players in conversations like this where they don't really belong YET is good because it gets the conversation started for when they really are the best player on their team.

Just because GAR shows that Johnson hasn't been a complete trainwreck this year doesn't discredit the stat as a whole

I’m just saying, basing this list solely off that stat is a mistake. IN WHAT WORLD IS NATE WALKER BETTER THAN HOF DOUGHTY OR KOPITAR LMAO

Not to mention the other extremely hot takes. Like nylander better than matthews, marner, or Savard better than Werenski, PLD, Jones

Yeah but it does show it is flawed, and that outlire shows that using it as a be all end all is not really close to reality

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