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4 lines 3 pairs w proper Goalie Tandem

Créé par: Billy739
Date de création initiale: sep 10, 2019
Publié: 10 sep 2019 à 10 h 58
Équipe: 2019-20 Canadiens de Montréal
Explications
This is the future and we're closer then most think. Last year we had every skater average no less then 10 minutes playing 4 line hockey and this build continue's upon that concept .

this year we're going to start step 1/2 this year injecting Poehling and Suzuki or Evans this year. Next year Brooks,Romanov ,and whomever didnt make it year one stepping in by year 2 .

The idea here is to create room to grow for our Youth just like GM Marc Bergavin and Owner/President/CEO Geoff Molson were touching on at the Golf Tournament .

Hudon was pushed out last year due to a need of players with Faceoff ability as until Thompson arrived at the TDL it was a by committee deal with Danault being the only True Center who in the end took 1800/5000 faceoffs the team averaged by himself. This year we got Thompson who's now one of the Strongest 4th line faceoff Centers in the league now the Cullen's retired along with 2 Rookie Centers and a 26 year old Center coming off a top 10 NHL finish in faceoffs .

Between Hudon , Weal , Cousins, Peca and Thompson there is only 1 who isnt a Center being Hudon which explains why lesser players were given icetime over him last year . This year we dont need Faceoffs so desperately .

Hudon of the 5 listed above competing for 1 roster spots,1 bench warming role , 1 press box regular and 2 waver bound players i think Hudon's the clear standout as our biggest void is middle 6 RW a role he played his rookie year after Gallaghers promotion to top line . His Speed , 125+ hit ability combined with his defensive ability make him a prime Candidate for a Rebound season which i'm calling now with this post .(this way when he succeeds and everyone on here pretends they knew he would i have a point of references to expose the fake's )
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Transactions
MTL
  1. Mahura, Josh
Détails additionnels:
Muhara's a solid future 2nd pair player at the NHL level but that's years away . playing him now in a 3rd line role would limit him the same it did Beaulieu who due to a need was never truly developed as a top 4 but rushed into any NHL role available .

ANA gets a young #4-5 RD today who's still just 22 with lots of potential for growth after playing behind Petry and Weber he's likely looking for a chance to solidify himself as a Top 4 guy
ANA
  1. Weal, Jordan
  2. Juulsen, Noah
  3. 2020 4e round pick (ANA)
Détails additionnels:
MTL gets to re-unite one of the WHL's best Dynamic Duo's on the Blueline in the past 5 yeas . the hope if Muhara-Fleury grow into a 2nd line role by 2022-23 to replace the minutes Petry will leave behind and to step up on 2nd PP unit .

chances of success are 7/10 for Muhara alone
for Muhara-Fleury together i'd say 8.5/10 odds to be NHLers
MTL
  1. Fischer, Christian
  2. 2020 2e round pick (ARI)
Détails additionnels:
31st-62nd pick in 2020

Fischers a similar age/skill who has a history/chemistry playing Domi's RW .
ARI
  1. Lehkonen, Artturi
  2. 2020 3e round pick (MTL)
Détails additionnels:
62nd-93rd pick in 2020

Lekonen's a similar age /skill who has a history playing a responsible 2 way game with his talent as a back checker/penalty killer being his greatest quality. ARZ got a lot of nice PP pieces but next to nothing on the Penalty kill going on as most of your prospects have poor defensive/shutdown skills
MTL
  1. Suzuki, Ryan [Liste de réserve]
Détails additionnels:
both centers have similar projections but play a different role all together . Suzuki is more of a Defensive Center like Danault he's posession based . Ikonen's offensive playmaker with speed and quickness that allows him to be a creative playmaker at high speeds ideal for PP success .

its essentially equal value at this point
CAR
  1. Ikonen, Joni [Liste de réserve]
Détails additionnels:
Ikonen's looking to come to north america 2020-21 when his contracts done and is going to be stuck in a Log Jam at Center until 2022-23 .

Trading Ikonen for Suzuki gives CAR a prospect who's already mostly developed and getting ready to turn Pro . MTL gets to buy itself 2 years to deal with the log jam properly without stunting anyones progress .
Rachats de contrats
  • Steve Mason: 1 366 667 $
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
  • Marco Scandella: 2 000 000 $ (50%)
  • Ilya Kovalchuk: 350 000 $ (50%)
Enfoui
  • Karl Alzner: 3 550 000 $ (4 625 000 $)
  • Matthew Peca: 225 000 $ (1 300 000 $)
  • Dale Weise: 1 275 000 $ (2 350 000 $)
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FLA
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CHI
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MTL
CHI
MTL
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MTL
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MTL
MTL
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MTL
Tatar, Tomas
4 800 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 2
MTL
Danault, Phillip
3 083 333 $
C
UFA - 2
MTL
Gallagher, Brendan
3 750 000 $
AD
UFA - 2
MTL
Domi, Max
3 150 000 $
C, AG
RFA - 1
MTL
Poehling, Ryan
925 000 $
C, AG
RFA - 2
ARI
Fischer, Christian
821 666 $
AD
RFA - 1
MTL
Drouin, Jonathan
5 500 000 $
AG
UFA - 4
MTL
Kotkaniemi, Jesperi
925 000 $
C, AG
RFA - 2
MTL
Hudon, Charles
800 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 1
MTL
Byron, Paul
3 400 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 4
MTL
Thompson, Nate
1 000 000 $
C
UFA - 1
MTL
Armia, Joel
2 600 000 $
AD
UFA - 2
MTL
Cousins, Nick
1 000 000 $
AG, C
RFA - 1
Boyle, Brian
1 250 000 $
AG, C
UFA - 1
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MTL
Mete, Victor
748 333 $
DG/DD
RFA - 1
MTL
Weber, Shea
7 857 143 $
DD
UFA - 7
MTL
Price, Carey
10 500 000 $
G
NMC
UFA - 7
MTL
Chiarot, Ben
3 500 000 $
DG
NTC
UFA - 3
MTL
Petry, Jeff
5 500 000 $
DD
NMC NTC
UFA - 2
MTL
Kinkaid, Keith
1 750 000 $
G
UFA - 1
MTL
Kulak, Brett
1 850 000 $
DG
UFA - 3
MTL
Folin, Christian
800 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
MTL
Reilly, Mike
1 500 000 $
DG
UFA - 2

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10 sep 2019 à 11 h 02
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Takes more than that to get fischer, not sure why carolina is dealing suzuki either with necas coming up. they have young centers already. suzuki is a good prospect for them to keep. I also dont know if noah juulsen gets you mahura because anaheim is rebuilding and he is a pretty good piece to hold onto.
10 sep 2019 à 11 h 06
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I agree with you for Hudon, althought I dont think he will have a real chance to bounce back. Cj will certainly play armia over him as 3rd RW
10 sep 2019 à 11 h 10
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Fischer has more value to them than Lehk so why is Zona adding a better pick?

Zona declines anyway. Even if you reversed the picks.
10 sep 2019 à 11 h 35
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Quoting: Gofnut999
Fischer has more value to them than Lehk so why is Zona adding a better pick?

Zona declines anyway. Even if you reversed the picks.

you're kidding right

i need to hear the flawed logic behind this before i correct you
10 sep 2019 à 11 h 40
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Quoting: beavereater
I agree with you for Hudon, althought I dont think he will have a real chance to bounce back. Cj will certainly play armia over him as 3rd RW


people forget Byron-Kotkanemi -Lehkonen was the line we used up until Byron got hurt during that knock out by Haley
it wasnt until Jan-Mar that we promoted Lehkonen-Kotkanemi-Armia to full time 3rd line status much to our dissapointment . (people loved the line but they did not produce like Byron-KK-Lehkonen)

i mean Armia finished the year on 4th line with Poehling helping him on 2/3 goals in his hat trick .
6'4 and battles in corners means Claude will use him long term on 4th as if he has to keep the training wheels on Kotkanemi again this year he'll just send him to the AHL for a stint like he did Mete
10 sep 2019 à 11 h 46
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Quoting: Billy739
you're kidding right

i need to hear the flawed logic behind this before i correct you


A) you completely overvalue Lehks trade value. You always have. He is more valuable to your team than he is in trade. Sort of the way Kuraly is to Boston. Even if they were to trade Kuraly for his max value they could not replace what he brings and it would be a mistake.

B). Zona has Keller, Dvorak, Crouse, Grabner as left shot wings already. Lehk is not needed. RH wings after Kessel if Fischer is traded....Vinny H and Conner Garland. Ya, they’ll go ahead and keep Fischer...thanks.
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10 sep 2019 à 11 h 50
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Quoting: hanson493
Takes more than that to get fischer, not sure why carolina is dealing suzuki either with necas coming up. they have young centers already. suzuki is a good prospect for them to keep. I also dont know if noah juulsen gets you mahura because anaheim is rebuilding and he is a pretty good piece to hold onto.


i take it you dont know who Ikonen is if you value Suzuki over him as outside having a Famous Brother Ryan's been underwhelming thus far falling from a top 10 projected ranking to start the season to barely being a 1st round pick by years end due to poor 2nd half of the season individually . i thought MTL fans would be pissed were giving away Ikonen at no charge to buy ourselves time but i never seen people thinking Suzuki just because he's Nick's brother having more value . (compare international invites , Ikonen's a standout where as Suzuki's only been invited once due to injury )

ANA is rebuilding and their RD is weaker so in context Muhara is stuck playing behind Lindholm and Fowler the same way Juulsen is behind Weber and Petry. if you even looked at their system before assuming something based on nothing then you'd see juulsen for Muhara solves problems from them short term with Juulsen already having NHL experience and ready to make the jump today .

personally none of the players mentioned above matter enough to mention because they're 2-3 year development pieces being acquired for players with a similar projection who is either Pro or about to turn Pro in the next year .

in Context this would be like CBJ offering to trade Nuutivara ,a player and a 4th for Mete
10 sep 2019 à 11 h 54
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Quoting: Gofnut999
A) you completely overvalue Lehks trade value. You always have. He is more valuable to your team than he is in trade. Sort of the way Kuraly is to Boston. Even if they were to trade Kuraly for his max value they could not replace what he brings and it would be a mistake.

B). Zona has Keller, Dvorak, Crouse, Grabner as left shot wings already. Lehk is not needed. RH wings after Kessel if Fischer is traded....Vinny H and Conner Garland. Ya, they’ll go ahead and keep Fischer...thanks.


dude you treat him like he's got aids
you're biased on Lehkonen's constantly made me lose respect for you
overall i think you're pretty smart but that sad truth is unless they are a point producer who TSN covers extensively you let the bias do the talking .

Dvorak's a center FFS he has been since he Centered Marner in Junior any Canadian Hockey Fan Knows this as Common Knowledge
you'd call a duck a chicken if you thought you could fool someone
i hate people who lie to try and make a point and you'll always do it with Lehkonen , why ill never get

https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/d/dvorach01.html
10 sep 2019 à 12 h 00
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Quoting: Billy739
i take it you dont know who Ikonen is if you value Suzuki over him as outside having a Famous Brother Ryan's been underwhelming thus far falling from a top 10 projected ranking to start the season to barely being a 1st round pick by years end due to poor 2nd half of the season individually . i thought MTL fans would be pissed were giving away Ikonen at no charge to buy ourselves time but i never seen people thinking Suzuki just because he's Nick's brother having more value . (compare international invites , Ikonen's a standout where as Suzuki's only been invited once due to injury )

ANA is rebuilding and their RD is weaker so in context Muhara is stuck playing behind Lindholm and Fowler the same way Juulsen is behind Weber and Petry. if you even looked at their system before assuming something based on nothing then you'd see juulsen for Muhara solves problems from them short term with Juulsen already having NHL experience and ready to make the jump today .

personally none of the players mentioned above matter enough to mention because they're 2-3 year development pieces being acquired for players with a similar projection who is either Pro or about to turn Pro in the next year .

in Context this would be like CBJ offering to trade Nuutivara ,a player and a 4th for Mete


What are you talking about? The only success Ikonen has had is IN U16 and U18 international juniors. Ikonen in the SHL 10 games 0 points. Ikonen in liiga 65 games 24 points Ryan suzuki 18 years old in the ohl 75 points in 65 games. 25 goals 50 assists. yeah ide rather suzuki than your overrated ikonen who IS NOT READY for the nhl lol. I dont care about international tournaments or whatever. if he cant play in his respective league how will he translate here?
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Quoting: Billy739
dude you treat him like he's got aids
you're biased on Lehkonen's constantly made me lose respect for you
overall i think you're pretty smart but that sad truth is unless they are a point producer who TSN covers extensively you let the bias do the talking .

Dvorak's a center FFS he has been since he Centered Marner in Junior any Canadian Hockey Fan Knows this as Common Knowledge
you'd call a duck a chicken if you thought you could fool someone
i hate people who lie to try and make a point and you'll always do it with Lehkonen , why ill never get

https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/d/dvorach01.html


You treat him as if he is a top 40 winger. He is not.

Stepan/Schmaltz.Soderberg/Richardson will be their centers. Plus Hayton lurking. Dvorak will be on wing. Or he will switch with Soderberg and it still remains.

Lehk is worth a 2nd and a 4th in trade. And Habs would be foolish to do it. ??‍♂️

As to why...i hate homerism. ??‍♂️
10 sep 2019 à 12 h 03
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Quoting: Billy739
i take it you dont know who Ikonen is if you value Suzuki over him as outside having a Famous Brother Ryan's been underwhelming thus far falling from a top 10 projected ranking to start the season to barely being a 1st round pick by years end due to poor 2nd half of the season individually . i thought MTL fans would be pissed were giving away Ikonen at no charge to buy ourselves time but i never seen people thinking Suzuki just because he's Nick's brother having more value . (compare international invites , Ikonen's a standout where as Suzuki's only been invited once due to injury )

ANA is rebuilding and their RD is weaker so in context Muhara is stuck playing behind Lindholm and Fowler the same way Juulsen is behind Weber and Petry. if you even looked at their system before assuming something based on nothing then you'd see juulsen for Muhara solves problems from them short term with Juulsen already having NHL experience and ready to make the jump today .

personally none of the players mentioned above matter enough to mention because they're 2-3 year development pieces being acquired for players with a similar projection who is either Pro or about to turn Pro in the next year .

in Context this would be like CBJ offering to trade Nuutivara ,a player and a 4th for Mete


on the other half of this, thats exactly why anaheim is trading for faulk. mahura replaces lindholm or fowler when their next deals come up or they need to get a top 6 forward.
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10 sep 2019 à 12 h 11
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Quoting: hanson493
on the other half of this, thats exactly why anaheim is trading for faulk. mahura replaces lindholm or fowler when their next deals come up or they need to get a top 6 forward.


Larsson's ahead of Muhara by a good 2 years in that regard
i'll gladly take him instead since everyone's seemingly just forgotten about him because someone tried to get their Fleury or Harris .
Larsson to me is good enough to start today which is why i didnt touch him given Fowlers age but if you dont like him or just prefer the team ignores him to give his spot to Muhara then sure
10 sep 2019 à 12 h 14
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You treat him as if he is a top 40 winger. He is not.

Stepan/Schmaltz.Soderberg/Richardson will be their centers. Plus Hayton lurking. Dvorak will be on wing. Or he will switch with Soderberg and it still remains.

Lehk is worth a 2nd and a 4th in trade. And Habs would be foolish to do it. ??‍♂️

As to why...i hate homerism. ??‍♂️


a top 40 winger worth a bottom 6 player and moving up 15-20 spots in the draft . . .
do you even hear yourself ?
you exaggerate more then then junkies at a methadone clinic
10 sep 2019 à 12 h 15
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Quoting: Billy739
Larsson's ahead of Muhara by a good 2 years in that regard
i'll gladly take him instead since everyone's seemingly just forgotten about him because someone tried to get their Fleury or Harris .
Larsson to me is good enough to start today which is why i didnt touch him given Fowlers age but if you dont like him or just prefer the team ignores him to give his spot to Muhara then sure


i just dont think they need to make this deal. you might think they do and thats fine. i dont think they need to trade a young dman with a higher potential for another young dman with a lower potential.
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10 sep 2019 à 12 h 21
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Quoting: Gofnut999
You treat him as if he is a top 40 winger. He is not.

Stepan/Schmaltz.Soderberg/Richardson will be their centers. Plus Hayton lurking. Dvorak will be on wing. Or he will switch with Soderberg and it still remains.

Lehk is worth a 2nd and a 4th in trade. And Habs would be foolish to do it. ??‍♂️

As to why...i hate homerism. ??‍♂️


Dvorak year 1 and 2 he was 2nd on ARZ in Faceoff wins
year 3 due to injury only allowing him to play 20 games he finished 7th on the team in Faceoff Wins

i dont need to lie , i provide Sources
its how i know Schmaltz is notoriously bad as a Faceoff Center , even worse then Galchenyuk was in MTL
if you have to say Schmaltz >Dvorak as Center then you just are ignoring Statistical Facts and History in an attempt to spite me as if i wouldnt fact check your non-sense
https://www.hockey-reference.com/teams/ARI/2019.html
10 sep 2019 à 12 h 31
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Quoting: Billy739
Dvorak year 1 and 2 he was 2nd on ARZ in Faceoff wins
year 3 due to injury only allowing him to play 20 games he finished 7th on the team in Faceoff Wins

i dont need to lie , i provide Sources
its how i know Schmaltz is notoriously bad as a Faceoff Center , even worse then Galchenyuk was in MTL
if you have to say Schmaltz >Dvorak as Center then you just are ignoring Statistical Facts and History in an attempt to spite me as if i wouldnt fact check your non-sense
https://www.hockey-reference.com/teams/ARI/2019.html


Line Combos website which shows each team lines the last game and projected lines has Dvorak at 1st line LW. This sites depth chart hilariously list him as 4th line LW. His 49.8% faceoff rate for his career is nothing special. Centers get moved to wing all the time. He’s more useful as LW1 than C3. ??‍♂️

Lehk and Fischer are both young players who have not reached their full potential yet with completely different skillsets. Lehk is the better player of the two right now but Fischer is more needed in Zona org than Lehk is. Everything i have said is the truth. You can bluster and cry foul all you want, does not change that. Truth hurts. ??‍♂️
10 sep 2019 à 12 h 34
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Quoting: hanson493
i just dont think they need to make this deal. you might think they do and thats fine. i dont think they need to trade a young dman with a higher potential for another young dman with a lower potential.


Juulsen is a NHL player
Muhara might be one

Juulsen's peak could be as a #4 D
Muhara's peak could be as a #2 D

Juulsen has value and could land a job if his Waiver Exempt status was done today
Muhara has value but if his Waiver exempt days were gone today like Hayden Fleury he'd be exiled to no mans land where a teams to afraid to bring you up as a regular for risk of losing you for nothing on the Waiver Wire .

each year that passes by favors Juulsen >Muhara because JM needs a top 4 role to thrive where as Juulsen utilized his size to block shots and hit on a 3rd pair regular role .
their Value today is virtually the same , Muhara will only have the value you place on him once his ELC is done and he's made it out of the AHL and into the NHL


but really those trades were unnecessary and done out of mercy to give players like Lehkonen and Juulsen teams where they could thrive taking lesser players who have not shown consistency at the NHL level in return . i coulda just as easily let them lose value in lesser roles but i just wanted see them used i guess.

honestly outside Juulsen i think most of our prospects will find a role to fit into
Juulsen on the other hand is screwed now the Brook just turned Pro
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Quoting: Gofnut999
Line Combos website which shows each team lines the last game and projected lines has Dvorak at 1st line LW. This sites depth chart hilariously list hism as 4th line LW. His 49.8% faceoff rate for his career is nothing special. ******post ignores his consistent win rate increase from 46-55% over 3 seasons never dropping because survey says half truths and lies are all he's ok to offer after making himself look this bad********

Lehk and Fischer are both young players who have not reached their full potential yet with completely different skillsets. Lehk is the better player of the two right now but Fischer is more needed in Zona org than Lehk is. Everything i have said is the truth. You can bluster and cry foul all you want, does not change that. Truth hurts. ??‍♂️


so your argument is his return from injury seeing him play LW in the 1 game you looked up now defines him
not the 2 years he played top 6 Center in ARZ or the OHL Record Scoring Tkachuk-Dvorak -Marner line but playing LW for Stepan . . . .


man you'll say anything when it comes to trying to devalue Lehkonen even pretend a well known Canadian Center Prospect like Dvorak isnt a Center ahahahaha

its sad really because you've been conditioned to think 'Truth Hurts' as if its a weapon you use.
i've been raised to believe Truth is universal and sets us Free so i dont subscribe to your particular POV

what you've claimed to have based on the fact is nonsensical
10 sep 2019 à 12 h 40
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Quoting: Billy739
Juulsen is a NHL player
Muhara might be one

Juulsen's peak could be as a #4 D
Muhara's peak could be as a #2 D

Juulsen has value and could land a job if his Waiver Exempt status was done today
Muhara has value but if his Waiver exempt days were gone today like Hayden Fleury he'd be exiled to no mans land where a teams to afraid to bring you up as a regular for risk of losing you for nothing on the Waiver Wire .

each year that passes by favors Juulsen >Muhara because JM needs a top 4 role to thrive where as Juulsen utilized his size to block shots and hit on a 3rd pair regular role .
their Value today is virtually the same , Muhara will only have the value you place on him once his ELC is done and he's made it out of the AHL and into the NHL


but really those trades were unnecessary and done out of mercy to give players like Lehkonen and Juulsen teams where they could thrive taking lesser players who have not shown consistency at the NHL level in return . i coulda just as easily let them lose value in lesser roles but i just wanted see them used i guess.

honestly outside Juulsen i think most of our prospects will find a role to fit into
Juulsen on the other hand is screwed now the Brook just turned Pro


so wouldnt you want to keep juulsen then at that point to replace petry either next year or the year after? you talk about log jam and then where are you putting mahura. top 4 in front of chiarot? that leaves a 3+m contract as your 5th/6th defenseman. not great cap management at that point then you have to move him as well. wouldnt the lesser of the two evils here be the prospect you control vs the prospect you dont have in this situation?
10 sep 2019 à 12 h 41
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Quoting: Billy739
so your argument is his return from injury seeing him play LW in the 1 game you looked up now defines him
not the 2 years he played top 6 Center in ARZ or the OHL Record Scoring Tkachuk-Dvorak -Marner line but playing LW for Stepan . . . .


man you'll say anything when it comes to trying to devalue Lehkonen even pretend a well known Canadian Center Prospect isnt a Center ahahahaha

its sad really because you've been conditioned to think 'Truth Hurts' as if its a weapon you use.
i've been raised to believe Truth is universal and sets us Free so i dont subscribe to your particular POV based on the fact its nonsensical


I know Dvorak well. Watched him play quite a bit in jr’s. Better than you apparently because he’s American not Canadian. Lol.

One of Dvorak, Shmaltz, or Soderberg will be playing wing this year. As i said, centers move to wing all the time. Guess we will see.
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Billy739
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Quoting: Gofnut999
I know Dvorak well. Watched him play quite a bit in jr’s. Better than you apparently because he’s American not Canadian. Lol.

One of Dvorak, Shmaltz, or Soderberg will be playing wing this year. As i said, centers move to wing all the time. Guess we will see.


unlike you i dont need to lie
dont need to say one thing and do another

i made a mistake he is american, i'm a man raised to own when i make an oversight or mistake so that is on me .
(you're still wrong about him playing Center but good for you atleast you didnt lie this time)

figured i'd show you what personal accountability looks like
10 sep 2019 à 13 h 01
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Quoting: Billy739
unlike you i dont need to lie
dont need to say one thing and do another

i made a mistake he is american, i'm a man raised to own when i make an oversight or mistake so that is on me .
(you're still wrong about him playing Center but good for you atleast you didnt lie this time)

figured i'd show you what personal accountability looks like


I have not told a single lie. You just don’t like to be questioned or hear the truth as to Habs players/prospects value. ??‍♂️

Zona wants Dvorak and Shmaltz both playing top 6 minutes this year. One has to move to wing as Stepan is locked. I think they are better off with Dvorak at C. Most analysts don’t agree. They feel Dvorak is a better goal scorer and Shmaltz better setup guy. Time will tell.
 
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