If im new jersey im taking this and running

I think Devils win this.
But adding Taylor Hall in his prime to a cup contending team + Severson.
Would be huge for the Leafs
If Leafs can extend Hall under $10m, that's a huge win for them. I like Marner but $12m for a winger is insane

This is a very interesting trade! If I could give it 5 stars I would.

If I were TOR I'd also ask NJ to eat half (or at least some) of Hall. It's just 1 year, but that 1 year means a lot more to TOR than NJ.

Why do u think an mvp, who is set to be a UFA will take less than 10mil? espcially after panarin

NJD paying too much. Hall and Marner are the same but Severson is waaaaaay better than Ceci. Then NJD has to throw in a 1st? No way. If anything TOR should be throwing in the 1st.

I like the idea but i don't think NJ would be keen on letting Severson go.
he's making $4.16m for 4 more years and is a legit top 4 D man. A huge improvement over Ceci.
The Leafs add an elite winger to their already stacked offence
and a cheap top 4 D to a position of need.

We'll see by how much the cap rises.
I think over 8 years, Hall would come in around $10-11m

NJ would have control over Marner. Hall could literally walk as a UFA.
Marner is also 7 years younger and already has a 90pts season to his name.
With extension in place,
NJ would have a top 6 of Marner, Hughes, Hischier, Palmieri

Okay this has to stop, this only serves to shave off 4 years of contention for the Leafs. Hall is a great player but he's had a lot of injuries and his style of play will wear him out much faster than someone like Marner. Also Hall will be looking for a long term mega deal that will start when he is about to turn 29, he isn't in his prime, he is leaving his prime. If you are okay with paying Hall 10 million, then you should have a problem paying Marner that much.

It never ceases to amaze me how everyone ignores that players decline in their early 30's and Hall will be in his early 30's 2 years into his next contract that will pay for what he did in his prime years.

STOP TRADING FOR HALL

Hall gonna cost you probably north of $12M a year... Shy of $10M is complete horsesh*t.

Aside from that, NJ probably would do Hall for Marner with a little bit added from NJ side, but the value difference between Severson+1st and Ceci+4th is so big it makes it just ridiculous for NJ to even consider it..

Paying Marner 10 or more makes more sense than paying Hall 10 for 7 years. Marner is going to be in his prime for his contract, Hall is going to look to get paid long term for what he did during his prime. On top of that, the style that Hall plays has already led to a lot of injuries, that isn't going to get better when he pushes into his early 30's. Hall has Corey Perry decline written all over him.

Hall is 27 turning 28. A 93 pts season from 2 seasons ago. 90pts pace last season.
Hall IS NOT declining and there is a good chance he will not decline until his late 30s.

Hall with one of Tavares or Matthews would have no problem surpassing 90pts. You are seriously underestimating how elite Hall is.
You don't even mention Severson who is a LEGIT top 4 D making under $5m for 4 years.

The Leafs lose nothing from this. If the Leafs manage to even keep Hall long-term. I see no reason why they don't win 3+ cups.
There isn't a single team in the NHL that has 2 franchise centers in Tavares and Matthews + an MVP winger in Taylor Hall.

I agree Hall is going to be looking for major dollars and term on top of that, and some idiot will give it to him. I see Hall being a contract that cements the "never give term to guys in their 30" movement that will happen in the very near future. He'll get a 7 year deal well over 70 million and be a cap anchor within 3 years of that contract. The way he plays, the injuries he's already had, him turning 29 a month into his next contract starting. It just has red flags all over it.

Doesn't matter though cause some GM will roll the dice because they need to make a splash to appease the ownership or something stupid like that. Edmonton or Vancouver or some other team will offer Hall huge money and it'll backfire.

The Leafs are literally going to bridge Marner straight to UFA, then he leaves in 3 years.
So I see no win-win in your scenario. They don't want to pay Marner 12 mil. but with a cap increase and new TV deal kicking in, the Leafs might be more inclined to extend Hall

So you have no problem paying Tavares $11m into his 30s, but Taylor Hall is out of the question?

Hall has had his number of injuries, which is why I think as a hockey player his prime has moved further by a couple of years. He's close to 30, and he plays the best game in his career. There's also other examples that shine even brighter after a little age - for example Kane had the best season of his career statistically last year and he turns 31 in November.

My guess is Hall can keep this level up until 34 - unless the injuries start getting worse.

This looks familiar. I like it!

Thank you. I can't believe there are people who don't want hall on their team.
The guy right now is a 90pts player aging at the same rate as Tavares.

I didn't say he is declining now.

I also said he will be turning 29 when his new contract starts which is next season. I am not at all underestimating Hall, he's been fantastic, and will be as long as he remains healthy for a couple seasons for sure. After that, I think he'll start feeling the over 30 ache. He'll lose a half step, his knee will get sore at times, his back will get tight and it only gets worse and worse. He plays such a physical brand of hockey and that takes its toll. Sure he'd be amazing with Tavares or Matthews for a few seasons but then he'll be Corey Perry but making at least 11 million a year.

In the salary cap world, you can't make moves without thinking about next season, the season after that and having an idea of where you want to be in 4-5 years. Trading Marner for Hall is thinking of the next 3 seasons and then not caring about what happens. Its a move that a desperate GM would make thinking it'll be the piece to push him over the mountain to cement his legacy and then he can retire before the dumpster fire erupts from poor future asset management.

Right now Hall is probably as valuable if not more valuable than Marner. But 3 years from now? Marner will be in the middle of his prime while Hall will be in his early 30's getting paid for his best years of his mid 20's. This happens all the time and still everyone is like this guy will be different. Almost always, it isn't different.

Sure, I'm all in for the Leafs keeping Marner. But his camp is being extremely unrealistic given the cap circumstances of this team and his RFA status.
He is not worth $12m short term. I'd even have trouble giving near Matthews money and term.
Anything that walks him to UFA without buying any UFA years is not worth it for the Leafs because once UFA, another team will be outbidding at every corner.
At the end of the day, it's business and Marner is trying to maximize his return.
I'm just trying to help the Leafs win a cup or two before Matthews nears the end of his deal and Tavares hits mid 30s.

you're the one underestimating him thinking he will sign for less than 10m, classic leaf fan

This whole, "Walk him to FA and he leaves" thing is such a narrow minded view and ignores a lot of trends in the league. Could these guys walk as FA's? Sure, but Crosby didn't walk when his contract came up and he could have gone to FA. Same with so many others, the only difference is these guys are hitting FA sooner, and in my opinion it has very little to do with wanting to go somewhere else. Its all about maximizing their potential earnings.

For a long time, top rookies were going from an ELC, to a 4-5 year bridge deal to "prove themselves" and then they'd get their big contract around the age of 28-29 before signing a huge contract with long term. Seeing how that really doesn't work is shifting the market. Edmonton started it by giving McDavid and Draisaitl huge contracts. While I was critical of the Draisaitl contract at the time, in hindsight its pretty great. These young players are making big bucks as they put out their best seasons. That is not at all a problem, its much better value for the contracts than the other model. With more and more of those older stars declining in their 30's, teams are going to be reluctant to give huge term and dollars to players who's best years are almost certainly behind them. So young players want to get paid now because its likely they won't get those big deals later on in the future.

If I was a GM and Hall was available next year and wanted to talk to me, I'd offer him no more than 3 years, or it would be a contract that had term but was way below market value. Why? Because the risk of a player like Hall declining in a massive way in his early 30's is extremely high.

So in the case or Marner, he wants a shorter deal because when he signs his next one he'll still be close to the top of the market, and then when that one runs out, he'll be nearing his decline years and can continue to do short deals to maximize earnings. It makes a tonne of sense and because of that, I don't put any stock into the whole going to FA to leave ideal that some hold on to on here.

Tavares was a year younger which makes it better. I do have strongly mixed feelings about that contract but I also think Tavares is more valuable than Hall as well. He's a centre and has been far more durable. Tavares's game is also not based on speed so losing a half step doesn't affect his game as much. I do think towards the end of the contract Tavares could be a very high priced 3C but he'll also always have Matthews ahead of him so if he starts declining he can be sheltered more and potentially still be effective in a reduce capacity. I think Hall will be the last guy in his late 20's to get a max term deal though. He's just a perfect storm for a contract that will look extremely bad very quickly, just due to his style of play and past injury issues.

In the trade above it mentions extensions so I was basing it off of that.

I'm not even a Leafs fans lol
I'm saying over 7-8 years, Hall could come in closer to 10-10.75m rather at 5-6 years he'd be closer to 12+m.
Because those last 2-3 years is where the decline will begin
All depends on when the Leafs want to extend him. On the open market, he'd get panarin money