I doubt he signs for any thing less than Matthews money. Pretty sure he will get offer sheeted by a team with money to spare. He might be offered Panarin money (which Panarin turned down of 12.5M).

I doubt he signs for any thing less than Matthews money. Pretty sure he will get offer sheeted by a team with money to spare. He might be offered Panarin money (which Panarin turned down of 12.5M).

He may / he may not... I was just outlining that there is room. He can sign for more, leafs can make trades.

Do you think they’d trade Nylander to fit Marner at 12.5? I bet they’d let him walk

Hockey is a good example of bias media. Marner is not much better than Nylander. But Canadians think so because Marner is Canadian and Willie is not. I hope that the Leafs are not as stupid as the Rangers to pay that much money for a winger of that caliber. Nylander is a young man. Nylander will do well this season. Especially if he can play with Matthews again.

Why do folks think he getting Matthews money? Leafs are under no obligation to sign to make Marner the second highest paid player in the league. Let's see an offer sheet. And really I would like to know of these teams that can offer sheet Marner , that wouldn't have to sell off assets or not the abllity to resign their own players starting next season.

I know it's subjective but by all stats...and the eye test, Marner is the superior player. Wow, I know the folks in Alberta sometimes don't wish they were in Canada, but geez since Nylander was born in Calgary and spend most of hockey development years in North America, gotta think he's a Canadian in the eyes of the hockey world.

Nylander before signing the contract played with the most talented and dynamic centre on the team, Matthews. Yet he only notched 61 points as a career high. Marner on the other hand, played with Bozak and Kadri, 2 centres with significantly less talent than Matthews yet he still managed 61 and 70 points respectively, so this already puts him ahead of Nylander. Last season, Marner played with Tavares, a complete play driving centre forward but he’s still no Matthews. Marner notched 94 points, 33 more than Nylander’s career best. Also, Marner has a better all round game and more raw talent. His stick handling, dekes, dangling, creativity and vision are all superior to the Swede. That should reasonably put him higher than Nylander by a good margin. Also, I see Marner working relentlessly away from the puck, using his speed and taking hits to win battles. With Nylander, I see no such thing. Whenever he doesn’t have the puck he just floats around or skates off. Talk about being lazy yet people don’t understand why Nylander gets hate yet Marner doesn’t. You just look at the efforts they put in and I think it’s justified.

No need to trade Nylander if Marner signs for 12.5.
They have 9.75 available.

12.5 - 9.75 = 2.75.

All they would have to move is 2.75... or have a trade that nets them 2.75 cap relief.

Why do folks think he getting Matthews money? ----------> No one thinks he deserves Matthews money because he doesnt have the skill set like Matthews, but that is what he was asking for.

That would be a dumb move by the leafs to match 12.5 AAV offer sheet. Three forwards taking up almost 50% of the cap is far from ideal. That basically guarantees they won’t be able to re-sign Muzzin (who will command north of 6 mill AAV) or Barrie ( at least 7.5 mill).

How did Marner do in the playoffs? In my opinion he did not do much in 5 of the 7 games. But he had JvR on the other wing. probably a better winger than Nylander hat on the other side during his time with the Leafs. I do not question that Marner should get more than Nylander. However, I think the gap between the two is less than 2m per year. Everything more than 9 AAV will reduce the chanes for winning a cup a lot. Also, I hope that the Leafs win a Stanley Cup, and not scoring titles, All Star game votes etc. If you justify more than 9 for Marner, you will have a hard time in contract talks with Rielly and Andersen.

Marner contributed a good part of his line’s success in shutting down the Bergeron line at even strength by utilizing his speed and energy get into defensive position and take space away so they can win back possession. I don’t see Nylander making near as much impact in his all round game. Plus, Marner’s offensive skill is superior,so with all of these attributes he is undoubtedly worth at least 2 million more than Nylander. If you think Nylander is worth 7, then Marner is worth at least 9. Also, why should Marner take less money than his actual value when all three other star forwards on the team took more than their value?

Based off the players’ performances:

Matthews’ market value is 11, he actually got 12
Tavares’ market value is 10, he got 11
Nylander’s market value is 6, he got 7
Marner’s market value is 8.5, yet he should get below 8?

If you want the players to take less money to bring together a cup winning team, everyone has to buy in. Not just one player. It’s too late now.

Do not act like Marner is actually an above average defiensive forward 5 vs. 5. He did not look that great against Boston to be honest. Tavares shut down Bergeron. Also Tavares was a UFA. Matthews got a big deal, but he is by far the most talented young forward the Leafs have. He is also a centre. And Marner might be able to get that amout of money, but then it will be another 10 years without a Stanley Cup final.

Marner’s defensive abilities itself may not be great but that kid certainly puts in the effort and presents a willingness to learn. Every shift I see him skating hard and relentlessly going into the positions to put a check on the opposition. He is only 22 and with experience, his defensive instincts will improve. That’s not something I can say about Nylander, every time he is out there and the puck is not on his stick he is treating it like a free skate. The fact that you’re downplaying Marner’s contributions to help shut down the Marchand-Bergeron-Pastrnak line at even strength demonstrates your ignorance. Tavares’ main job was shutting down Bergeron, but there were 2 other players to take care of. It’s a 3 man job, while Marner was far from impressive offensively, he still deserves credit for being part of a shutdown role that for the most part was successful. It would most certainly be ideal for Marner to take less money to stay in Toronto, but since all the other stars got paid, it is beyond unreasonable to not do the same for him.