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Draft day trade sets the table for the future

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Équipe: 2019-20 Blackhawks de Chicago
Date de création initiale: 8 juin 2019
Publié: 8 juin 2019
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This leaves plenty of cap space for next years rfas . youth movement is in full force . MURPHY ,KEITH , MURRAY can be moved easily in the future to open up spots for future d prospects . I am leaving Turcotte on starting roster even though he is supposed to go to college . Byram by many accounts is ready to turn pro , if anyone thinks thinks colorado needs more of a sweetener let me know same for buffalo . lineup has good balance and players are slotted where i feel they should slot in appropriately . i would love to get breadman back but after what skinner got last night i think his ask is 11 mil or more . Top two lines should have dynamic scoring and possession . Third line if KUBALIK works out should be able to contribute well and give a quality 10 to 14 minutes per game . 4TH line is a pure checking line do not expect much offence but a quality hard working 7 to 12 minutes . Most of all this has the chance to be the best defence the hawks have rolled out since 2010 . Also selling high on GUS after his career year . Apparently OILERS had interest in GUS according to rumours .
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TURCOTTE, ALEX
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BYRAM, BOWEN
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  1. Choix de 3e ronde en 2019 (BUF)
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2020 (BUF)
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  1. Choix de 2e ronde en 2019 (BUF)
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  1. Choix de 3e ronde en 2019 (PIT)
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GUS gives oilers a pp quaterback to pair up with dobson . And two young middle six wingers with lots of upside for depth
EDM
  1. Gustafsson, Erik
  2. Perlini, Brendan
  3. Sikura, Dylan
  4. Choix de 2e ronde en 2019 (CHI)
Détails additionnels:
GUS gives oilers a pp quaterback to pair up with dobson . And two young middle six wingers with lots of upside for depth
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CHI
  1. Choix de 1e ronde en 2019 (OTT)
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  1. Choix de 1e ronde en 2019 (EDM)
  2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2019 (PIT)
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2020 (BUF)
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COST OF MOVING UP FOUR SPOTS
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  1. Murray, Ryan [Droits de RFA]
  2. Nash, Riley
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  1. Highmore, Matthew
  2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2019 (BUF)
  3. Choix de 2e ronde en 2020 (CHI)
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8 juin 2019 à 14 h 59
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Sens don't have much use for any of those guys, and we need the contract spots. Easy pass for Ottawa.
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Quoting: Claesson4Norris
Sens don't have much use for any of those guys, and we need the contract spots. Easy pass for Ottawa.


I get it from your perspective . Forsling has allot of upside and is worth a third . FORTIN and FORSBERG are depth players with upside . I am just dumping them of of hawks roster . FORTIN is french and is nhl ready player by the way a cheap 4th liner local boy for a cheapskate owner . Bring in the GATINEAU and HULL crowd and fill in some empty seats
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8 juin 2019 à 15 h 28
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I get it from your perspective . Forsling has allot of upside and is worth a third . FORTIN and FORSBERG are depth players with upside . I am just dumping them of of hawks roster . FORTIN is french and is nhl ready player by the way a cheap 4th liner local boy for a cheapskate owner . Bring in the GATINEAU and HULL crowd and fill in some empty seats


These are decent points, but it just doesn't make sense. Sens currently have five goalies under contract, and they still have to sign Marcus Hogberg. They simply do not have room for another Goalie.

Fortin could be a useful 4th line option for Ottawa, but with Balcers, Brown, Chlapik, Paul and Formenton all likely to push for full time spots, its going to be really crowded up front. If Ottawa moves out guys like Smith and Boedker, I'd be willing to take a flier on Fortin, but not for a 3rd. Also nobody in Gatineau is schlepping out to Kanata to see Alex Fortin.

Forsling is probably the most appealing option for Ottawa, but I'd be willing to bet on the Sens scouting department to be able to find prospects like that with a 3rd.
8 juin 2019 à 15 h 33
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Skinner just signed for $9M x 8....you can bet Duchene gets every bit of that and maybe more and that kills the cap space you need next year. You can't count on Kieth waving either to free up cap; while it's possible, it's still unlikely. Maybe if Delia and Lankinen prove themselves as a #1 and #2 then you let Crow walk and free up $5M of cap space but that's a tough position. For this reason if the Hawks bring in Dzingel, I'd forget Duchene or Panarin and focus on someone like Hoffman who could get moved as a 1 year rental if Florida gets Panarin and Bob.

Murphy is gone after this season if Jokiharju plays well as Boqvist and Mitchell are pretty much locks the following season to step up. Bringing me to the point...signing Murray for 6 years is a mistake. He will not command more then 3 to 4 years given his injury history and he would almost certainly get traded next off season along with Murphy. Sure that frees up cap space, but both him and Nash are useless with Byram and Turcotte after 1 season so have to plan on Murphy, Murray, Nash all get traded. Teams will know the Hawks will need to do that too as they will be up against the cap so the return won't be as much as what you're paying for them now likely (assuming none of them have a huge breakout year)....something to be mindful of.

Brings me to the point of Byram. He should not step right into the NHL. Dahlin, who's was hands down rated higher then Byram, struggled this year with the grind of the NHL. Colorado with Maker is a better comparison; it would be wise to give him a year in the juniors or college and then bring him up if the Hawks make the playoffs. Also, you wouldn't start Byram on his wrong side either, he would be on the Left.

To that point, I get trading Gus in attempt to get the picks necessary for Byram and Turcotte but you can count on the PowerPlay going back to being one of the worst in the league. If you had to point to one player who made the biggest difference on the PP this past season going from last place in the league the year prior to #12 was Gus. Murray certainly isn't filling those shoes and like I said on Byram, even if he played a full season which would be bad for his development, there is no way he jumps into the league with major struggles seeing as Dahlin who's better struggled quite a bit. That said, I understand why you did the move as long term Bryam should be better then Gus, but bird in hand now IMO is worth pursuing.

That all said, I think Dzingel would be a perfect fit for Strome and Cat, really good move and agree the contract is going to be $4.5M maybe $4.75M for a hometown guy.
8 juin 2019 à 15 h 34
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These are decent points, but it just doesn't make sense. Sens currently have five goalies under contract, and they still have to sign Marcus Hogberg. They simply do not have room for another Goalie.

Fortin could be a useful 4th line option for Ottawa, but with Balcers, Brown, Chlapik, Paul and Formenton all likely to push for full time spots, its going to be really crowded up front. If Ottawa moves out guys like Smith and Boedker, I'd be willing to take a flier on Fortin, but not for a 3rd. Also nobody in Gatineau is schlepping out to Kanata to see Alex Fortin.

Forsling is probably the most appealing option for Ottawa, but I'd be willing to bet on the Sens scouting department to be able to find prospects like that with a 3rd.


Like i said even one third and a bag of pucks coming back is ok
8 juin 2019 à 15 h 45
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Skinner just signed for $9M x 8....you can bet Duchene gets every bit of that and maybe more and that kills the cap space you need next year. You can't count on Kieth waving either to free up cap; while it's possible, it's still unlikely. Maybe if Delia and Lankinen prove themselves as a #1 and #2 then you let Crow walk and free up $5M of cap space but that's a tough position. For this reason if the Hawks bring in Dzingel, I'd forget Duchene or Panarin and focus on someone like Hoffman who could get moved as a 1 year rental if Florida gets Panarin and Bob.

Murphy is gone after this season if Jokiharju plays well as Boqvist and Mitchell are pretty much locks the following season to step up. Bringing me to the point...signing Murray for 6 years is a mistake. He will not command more then 3 to 4 years given his injury history and he would almost certainly get traded next off season along with Murphy. Sure that frees up cap space, but both him and Nash are useless with Byram and Turcotte after 1 season so have to plan on Murphy, Murray, Nash all get traded. Teams will know the Hawks will need to do that too as they will be up against the cap so the return won't be as much as what you're paying for them now likely (assuming none of them have a huge breakout year)....something to be mindful of.

Brings me to the point of Byram. He should not step right into the NHL. Dahlin, who's was hands down rated higher then Byram, struggled this year with the grind of the NHL. Colorado with Maker is a better comparison; it would be wise to give him a year in the juniors or college and then bring him up if the Hawks make the playoffs. Also, you wouldn't start Byram on his wrong side either, he would be on the Left.

To that point, I get trading Gus in attempt to get the picks necessary for Byram and Turcotte but you can count on the PowerPlay going back to being one of the worst in the league. If you had to point to one player who made the biggest difference on the PP this past season going from last place in the league the year prior to #12 was Gus. Murray certainly isn't filling those shoes and like I said on Byram, even if he played a full season which would be bad for his development, there is no way he jumps into the league with major struggles seeing as Dahlin who's better struggled quite a bit. That said, I understand why you did the move as long term Bryam should be better then Gus, but bird in hand now IMO is worth pursuing.

That all said, I think Dzingel would be a perfect fit for Strome and Cat, really good move and agree the contract is going to be $4.5M maybe $4.75M for a hometown guy.

Dahlin was played as a number 1 dmen on a horrible team with no leadership . a questionable defence and spotty goaltending . and a horrible offence . Byram would not have that kind of responsabilty with the Hawks . He also had 44 points and averaged over 25 minutes many games . Like i said to many minutes for an 18 year old . But 44 points is very very respectability for an 18 year old on a team that was offencively challenged
8 juin 2019 à 16 h 4
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Skinner just signed for $9M x 8....you can bet Duchene gets every bit of that and maybe more and that kills the cap space you need next year. You can't count on Kieth waving either to free up cap; while it's possible, it's still unlikely. Maybe if Delia and Lankinen prove themselves as a #1 and #2 then you let Crow walk and free up $5M of cap space but that's a tough position. For this reason if the Hawks bring in Dzingel, I'd forget Duchene or Panarin and focus on someone like Hoffman who could get moved as a 1 year rental if Florida gets Panarin and Bob.

Murphy is gone after this season if Jokiharju plays well as Boqvist and Mitchell are pretty much locks the following season to step up. Bringing me to the point...signing Murray for 6 years is a mistake. He will not command more then 3 to 4 years given his injury history and he would almost certainly get traded next off season along with Murphy. Sure that frees up cap space, but both him and Nash are useless with Byram and Turcotte after 1 season so have to plan on Murphy, Murray, Nash all get traded. Teams will know the Hawks will need to do that too as they will be up against the cap so the return won't be as much as what you're paying for them now likely (assuming none of them have a huge breakout year)....something to be mindful of.

Brings me to the point of Byram. He should not step right into the NHL. Dahlin, who's was hands down rated higher then Byram, struggled this year with the grind of the NHL. Colorado with Maker is a better comparison; it would be wise to give him a year in the juniors or college and then bring him up if the Hawks make the playoffs. Also, you wouldn't start Byram on his wrong side either, he would be on the Left.

To that point, I get trading Gus in attempt to get the picks necessary for Byram and Turcotte but you can count on the PowerPlay going back to being one of the worst in the league. If you had to point to one player who made the biggest difference on the PP this past season going from last place in the league the year prior to #12 was Gus. Murray certainly isn't filling those shoes and like I said on Byram, even if he played a full season which would be bad for his development, there is no way he jumps into the league with major struggles seeing as Dahlin who's better struggled quite a bit. That said, I understand why you did the move as long term Bryam should be better then Gus, but bird in hand now IMO is worth pursuing.

That all said, I think Dzingel would be a perfect fit for Strome and Cat, really good move and agree the contract is going to be $4.5M maybe $4.75M for a hometown guy.


i wonder if GUS getting 60 points was not a result of Colliton opening the system and letting players play riskier hockey I think JT , KANE and GUS benefitted from this . Did you notice how when they tightened up defensively there ppg game all went down . Yes GUS played better defence towards the end of the season but it cost him points to do this . My problem with GUS is that he has 2 to 5 brain farts per game < rookie mistakes > where he gives up the puck for breakaways or 2 on ones . Gus is 27 years old he is not 18 yrs old . Is this still correctable ??? Q saw something in GUS that he did not want on his team . Good or bad , right or wrong it was obvious Gus was not up to Q standards . He was very effective on the pp i will give him that but to me he is a pp specialist . I would not wanting him playing 22 plus minutes as a top 4 dman should play . 60 points and he was still minus 6 at the end of the year
8 juin 2019 à 16 h 12
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i wonder if GUS getting 60 points was not a result of Colliton opening the system and letting players play riskier hockey I think JT , KANE and GUS benefitted from this . Did you notice how when they tightened up defensively there ppg game all went down . Yes GUS played better defence towards the end of the season but it cost him points to do this . My problem with GUS is that he has 2 to 5 brain farts per game < rookie mistakes > where he gives up the puck for breakaways or 2 on ones . Gus is 27 years old he is not 18 yrs old . Is this still correctable ??? Q saw something in GUS that he did not want on his team . Good or bad , right or wrong it was obvious Gus was not up to Q standards . He was very effective on the pp i will give him that but to me he is a pp specialist . I would not wanting him playing 22 plus minutes as a top 4 dman should play . 60 points and he was still minus 6 at the end of the year


Gus was scoring at a faster rate actually with Coach Q. Under Colliton his defensive game got better. Gus is developing faster then anyone last year on the roster...I'm not sure whether we have just a PP specialist and otherwise a 2nd or 3rd liner to play the rush or we have a true first liner. If he keeps getting better like he did last year, by the end of this next season he will easily be a first liner. A lot of it has to do with who you pair Gus with and unfortunately, I don't think he was paired well until he was with Keith. Also think he'd do well with Murphy but that was a combo that we rarely if ever saw.
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Skinner just signed for $9M x 8....you can bet Duchene gets every bit of that and maybe more and that kills the cap space you need next year. You can't count on Kieth waving either to free up cap; while it's possible, it's still unlikely. Maybe if Delia and Lankinen prove themselves as a #1 and #2 then you let Crow walk and free up $5M of cap space but that's a tough position. For this reason if the Hawks bring in Dzingel, I'd forget Duchene or Panarin and focus on someone like Hoffman who could get moved as a 1 year rental if Florida gets Panarin and Bob.

Murphy is gone after this season if Jokiharju plays well as Boqvist and Mitchell are pretty much locks the following season to step up. Bringing me to the point...signing Murray for 6 years is a mistake. He will not command more then 3 to 4 years given his injury history and he would almost certainly get traded next off season along with Murphy. Sure that frees up cap space, but both him and Nash are useless with Byram and Turcotte after 1 season so have to plan on Murphy, Murray, Nash all get traded. Teams will know the Hawks will need to do that too as they will be up against the cap so the return won't be as much as what you're paying for them now likely (assuming none of them have a huge breakout year)....something to be mindful of.

Brings me to the point of Byram. He should not step right into the NHL. Dahlin, who's was hands down rated higher then Byram, struggled this year with the grind of the NHL. Colorado with Maker is a better comparison; it would be wise to give him a year in the juniors or college and then bring him up if the Hawks make the playoffs. Also, you wouldn't start Byram on his wrong side either, he would be on the Left.

To that point, I get trading Gus in attempt to get the picks necessary for Byram and Turcotte but you can count on the PowerPlay going back to being one of the worst in the league. If you had to point to one player who made the biggest difference on the PP this past season going from last place in the league the year prior to #12 was Gus. Murray certainly isn't filling those shoes and like I said on Byram, even if he played a full season which would be bad for his development, there is no way he jumps into the league with major struggles seeing as Dahlin who's better struggled quite a bit. That said, I understand why you did the move as long term Bryam should be better then Gus, but bird in hand now IMO is worth pursuing.

That all said, I think Dzingel would be a perfect fit for Strome and Cat, really good move and agree the contract is going to be $4.5M maybe $4.75M for a hometown guy.


Only dman with a worst plus minus on the team is FORSLING . EVERYONE is ripping SEABS for not playing like he used to , he was tied with Gus at minus 6 difference is GUS had a very high percentage of offensive zone starts whereas SEABS was paired up with rookies and getting a high percentage of dzone starts
8 juin 2019 à 16 h 29
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Skinner just signed for $9M x 8....you can bet Duchene gets every bit of that and maybe more and that kills the cap space you need next year. You can't count on Kieth waving either to free up cap; while it's possible, it's still unlikely. Maybe if Delia and Lankinen prove themselves as a #1 and #2 then you let Crow walk and free up $5M of cap space but that's a tough position. For this reason if the Hawks bring in Dzingel, I'd forget Duchene or Panarin and focus on someone like Hoffman who could get moved as a 1 year rental if Florida gets Panarin and Bob.

Murphy is gone after this season if Jokiharju plays well as Boqvist and Mitchell are pretty much locks the following season to step up. Bringing me to the point...signing Murray for 6 years is a mistake. He will not command more then 3 to 4 years given his injury history and he would almost certainly get traded next off season along with Murphy. Sure that frees up cap space, but both him and Nash are useless with Byram and Turcotte after 1 season so have to plan on Murphy, Murray, Nash all get traded. Teams will know the Hawks will need to do that too as they will be up against the cap so the return won't be as much as what you're paying for them now likely (assuming none of them have a huge breakout year)....something to be mindful of.

Brings me to the point of Byram. He should not step right into the NHL. Dahlin, who's was hands down rated higher then Byram, struggled this year with the grind of the NHL. Colorado with Maker is a better comparison; it would be wise to give him a year in the juniors or college and then bring him up if the Hawks make the playoffs. Also, you wouldn't start Byram on his wrong side either, he would be on the Left.

To that point, I get trading Gus in attempt to get the picks necessary for Byram and Turcotte but you can count on the PowerPlay going back to being one of the worst in the league. If you had to point to one player who made the biggest difference on the PP this past season going from last place in the league the year prior to #12 was Gus. Murray certainly isn't filling those shoes and like I said on Byram, even if he played a full season which would be bad for his development, there is no way he jumps into the league with major struggles seeing as Dahlin who's better struggled quite a bit. That said, I understand why you did the move as long term Bryam should be better then Gus, but bird in hand now IMO is worth pursuing.

That all said, I think Dzingel would be a perfect fit for Strome and Cat, really good move and agree the contract is going to be $4.5M maybe $4.75M for a hometown guy.


Skinner got 9 million because he scored 40 goals and had amazing chemistry with Eichel and Buffalo does not attract ufas easy . Skinner had 63 points 40 goals both are career highs no other teams could give him 8 yrs so in effect a comparable contract would be 10.25 per year for 7 years . Skinner is not worth this , this is superstar 100 point a season money he was overpaid by an incompetant Gm out of necessity . He has never played in the playoffs in a 9 year career so you do not even know if he is a big game player he had a bad rep in carolina for not giving a hundred percent and playing soft that is why he was dumped last season my question is did he give 100 percent in a contract year to get the big bucks or will this be his new norm ?? draisatl had 50 goals 104 points and gets 8.5 mil . Skinner is overpaid by at least 1 to 2 million per year
8 juin 2019 à 18 h 32
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I think Sabres would pass on that offer, Stan Bowman either has made no trades with Sabres or few, probably not a good fit.
8 juin 2019 à 19 h 27
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I think Sabres would pass on that offer, Stan Bowman either has made no trades with Sabres or few, probably not a good fit.


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