If you pay him you have to move Nylander

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Nothing makes sense about trading player on a good contract to overpay 2 mil for the other guy.

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29 mai 2019 à 12 h 51

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Nothing makes sense about trading player on a good contract to overpay 2 mil for the other guy.

It is not a one for one trade if you read my comments. Toronto has to add to get Pesce but nothing from the roster, picks and prospects. Carolina has depth at RD and needs offence. The Leafs have depth on offence and RW but need defence. This might not be the exact trade but the key pieces.

29 mai 2019 à 12 h 51

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Nothing makes sense about trading player on a good contract to overpay 2 mil for the other guy.

Amen!!!!

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29 mai 2019 à 12 h 52

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Can’t see the hurricanes saying yes to that

29 mai 2019 à 12 h 52

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Toronto is not adding to get Pesce. Also my point was about trading Nylander to make place for that holy overpayment of a contract for Marner.

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29 mai 2019 à 12 h 53

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He is talking about trading nylander to overpay marner.

If marner wants a cent over 10.5m I would move him. Or let him get an OS.

29 mai 2019 à 12 h 53

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Quoting: nchest

I think the point was that you're significantly over-paying Marner and if that's where the number falls it actually makes more sense to keep Nylander and trade Marner.

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29 mai 2019 à 12 h 56

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I think the point was that you're significantly over-paying Marner and if that's where the number falls it actually makes more sense to keep Nylander and trade Marner.

I don't think Marner should get over $10m. But I also don't think Dubas has the balls to trade him and he is in a bad spot after giving Nylander and Matthews their money. This is what happens if he does give him what he is asking.

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29 mai 2019 à 12 h 56

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Amen!!!!

I mean.. as you can see I love both Mitch and Nylander, but overpaying someone and trading fair contract away is not good idea.

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29 mai 2019 à 12 h 57

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He has balls for much more than trading him. Both Matthews and Nylander received their value. Marner should receive his value as well. It starts with 9.

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29 mai 2019 à 13 h 2

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He has balls for much more than trading him. Both Matthews and Nylander received their value. Marner should receive his value as well. It starts with 9.

I had nylander at 6.75m x 6 years and Mathews at 12-12.5m x 8 years. But I’m not the one going toe to toe with player camps. I would say dubas has done a fair job so far. If you include drafting and other one way contracts I would say he is doing a good job. Include signing Tavares at a 2m discount with a strong pitch... he is doing a great job.

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29 mai 2019 à 13 h 3

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He has balls for much more than trading him. Both Matthews and Nylander received their value. Marner should receive his value as well. It starts with 9.

I think 7-8 years at $9.5m is fair for Marner and I am a big fan of Nylander as well. Want to see him play a full year with Matthews this year. It doesn't seem like anyone has a clue of the term or $$$ Marner is going to get. Wish he would take a 1 year deal until Marleau retires and then sign the long term deal, but unlikely.

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29 mai 2019 à 13 h 4

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Agree with you that was possible trade with Nylander signed to reasonable contract last summer. Doubt if any team wants Zaitsev and his long term contract. So the reaiity is as you described the Leafs are about 6 to 7 m over the cap. Looks like trading Nylander for prospects or picks. Forget about trading for immediate equal "on ice" value.

29 mai 2019 à 13 h 6

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That would give him a arbitration rights. Not a good idea imo. My guess is around 9.316x6, 9.5x7. Or 9.875x8. Hopefully. He does not deserve more than 10.

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29 mai 2019 à 13 h 7

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Going to have to trump you... with your own ammo. Leafs will have to move a big cap hit. Why move a player on a fair deal to overpay marner. Trade marner or let him take an OS. Leafs will save more money and get a better return.

29 mai 2019 à 13 h 9

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Quoting: SammyT_51

That would give him a arbitration rights. Not a good idea imo. My guess is around 9.316x6, 9.5x7. Or 9.875x8. Hopefully. He does not deserve more than 10.

Its a good problem to have being a long time Leaf fan. They are waiting on Marner before they do other moves. There will be a lot of posts on here when he finally signs and everyone knows what he is making

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29 mai 2019 à 13 h 10

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Great problem to have.

29 mai 2019 à 13 h 11

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So much fear, so little sense.

I think I'm worth Matthews money too but no one seems to want to pay it to me.

29 mai 2019 à 13 h 12

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Its that easy : https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/1160057

29 mai 2019 à 15 h 42

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Well, I never said the Leafs should overpay Marner. But even on fair contracts, I still say the Leafs are 6 to 7m over the cap. Let's see 60 point Nylander gets 7m. Is that fair ? (I think it's bad for the Leaf, but it's a subjective opinion). So what should 90 point Marner get....maybe 10m isn't far off. But I do agree with you, Marner would get a far greater return in a trade. Why, Marner is a better player and other teams might think his trade value and salary should be 10.5m or so.

29 mai 2019 à 15 h 47

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So much fear, so little sense.

I think I'm worth Matthews money too but no one seems to want to pay it to me.

It's subjective,,,but his value on the ice might be worth Matthews "ice value". But Matthews isn't worth 11.632 m, so the Leafs are not under any obligation to pay Marner 11.632m. Gee MVP Kuchervos is starting his 3rd contract at 9.5m. Point, Aho, Rantanan, maybe Laine might close to same value as Matthews and Marner but highly doubt those guys get 11m

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