Lol...

It would still be snowing in Washington if Seguin is coming back in that trade lol

what's the big piece on the MTL trade?

an old stay at home D
+
underperforming rookie
+
a 4th liner

for our first round pick?

Oh and Shaw, Lekhonen and Juulsen... sorry not gonna happen
+

okay

so a top pairing lhd ....also old? hes 27......a "4th liners" who has the exact same stats as Lekhonen...or if youre talking about bura hes not a rookie.....you really are clueless. why bother commenting if you have zero clue about the players you are receiving ?

Orlov alone could get shaw Juulsen and a 1st haha or close to it......

hes what you look like

okay

shaw a 4th liner who had a good season

Juulsen is an injury prone bottom pairing guy if he can stay healthy

Lekhonen is a 4th liner

hah see how dumb that looks ....thats you.

I did chuckle at the "old"

But Burakovsky has ZERO value (Mtl is not going to give him a $3.25M QO), and Jaskin is dime a dozen, so you are basically just trading Orlov for that package. Orlov for the #15, Shaw etc... I don't think Montreal bites.

bura had the exact same stats as Lekhonen his price tag might be high but similar stats.... jaskin is a solid 4th line player...neither have insane values but to say Lekhonen value is way higher would be crazy.

all in all id say

Orlov value is shaw Juulsen and a 1st or swap shaw with Lekhonen..hardy matter but thats the price for top pairing dmen and the habs need one....


I laughed hard at old and even harder at STAY AT HOME...yike he is clueless

might need to sign mike Richards and Malone to ensure kuzy has a good season haha

I had confused Orlov with Orpik in my head ahahah my apologies

hahaha orpik. all good I get what you mean now

a 38 yo dman v.s a 27 dman... makes a difference on how I saw that trade

And pick up Redden and Doughty on the back end lol

haha all good I was very confused .....yeah orpik wouldn't get us anything but angry looks and laughs

There is no way Kuzy is being traded

Am i reading this right? Orlov could get Shaw, Juulsen and a 1st. Wow.. This Orlov guy must be really good?! 82 games 29 points and a +3. As a Jets fan, this make me excited at what we would be able to get for Trouba then. 82 games 50 points +8 and averages over 20 minutes a game. I am guessing 4-1st, and 3 roster players. Let's get a sign and trade in place and get this haul.

yeah did trouba win a cup playing top line minutes? Orlov is also signed to a very solid contract.....a teams going to have to pay 8-9 million for trouba.. but hey shoot for the stars....I guess.


and yeah Orlov is 100% worth a 1st and 2 roster players who value might equal a 2nd each.. haha 4st round picks could be an offerhseet for him.....

8-9 mil? yikes that's a lot of money. Wonder why Orlov signed so cheap with how great he is.

Forget arguing back and forth on his value. His stats definitely sell me on his value. Do you think the Jets could get him for a 1st, Scheifele and Laine? I think that would be the correct value, right?

I mean Carlson got 8million on a home town discount. it hard to have an intelligent conversation with you when you think points matter for dmen and that $$ amount represents talent. trouba will get paid 8-9 million bc hes made it known that he wants paid. hes actually sat out bc of it..... Orlov is a solid 25-35 point 2 way dman who is very physical. hes a slightly more offensive pesce. guy like that don't make 8 million. guys like Yoruba Carlson shattenkirk make the big $$ but are more risky. I mean Gardner scored 50 points last year look at him now...

hahaha points are the best way to measure defensive value.... man trouble and his 50 points can land you mcdavid.... I mean yeah hes a -38 in the turn over ratio but man he can score... jets fans are fun..... how is laine doing? is he still better than matthews? what an elite winger. you guys are really good maybe you'll win a cup soon with all that talent you have

loved reading how is was the next ovi......yikes.

The problem is Burakovsky's $3.25M QO. Even here you give Lekhonen only $2M, which by your comments is what Burakovsky should be offered... actually, more than Burakovsky should be offered because while their offensive numbers are similar, Lekhonen is a better overall player. And any team that had Burakovsky can't offer him less than $3.25M without making him a UFA, which is why he has zero trade value.

unless he agrees to sign for less than QA which is possible but why would he

I didn't say anything about points, I put the same stats for both guys. Trouba +8 Orlov +3. Shows Trouba is a better 2 way defenceman then Orlov. Facts are Facts, can't really argue them. I like Orlov, but come on, you valued that guy way to high. Do you seriously thing he could fetch that much?

I easily think that a top pairing dman could fetch this return. im not arguing that trouba is better or not. trouba is better but top pairing guys signs to solid deals could get a good return

shaw is worth a 2nd or 2 2nds? juulsen is worth what maybe another 2nd? (injuries have set him back minority)

so orlov for 1st and 3 seconds...... shaw had a great season but I don't see his value being anything too high be hes being paid close to 4 million a season....a lot of risk in taking on his contract.

I honestly believe trouba could get more n value but the thing that hurts his value is going to be his massive cap hit. based off his stats hell make 8-9 million. dmen who can produce 50 point will get minimum 8 million. I bet Gardner makes 6-6.5 million.

The only fact that you can't argue is the +8 and +3. Your conclusion as to what that means can easily be argued. Having a higher or lower +/- has NOTHING to do with the guy being offensive, 2-way, or stay at home.

You got me there! Burns, Karlsson ( Set to cash in ) Subban, Doughty.. Wait are those the highest paid dman and all have a career of averaging over 50 points a year?

Never have I heard anyone say that Laine was better than Matthews. Actually, I have never heard anyone say that he is better than Ovechkin. Heard he idiolized Ovechkin and has a shot like him, but never heard anyone ever say he was better. Ovi is one of the best in the league, that would be a huge complimnet to Laine if people are saying that.

I am going to back out now though, because your points have zero merit to them and your best come backs are I love Jets fans and have you won a cup. When all i have presented to you were facts. Not sure how you can argue those, but you try.

Okay, fair is fair, I see your thinking now. Thank you for challenging me on this. It was fun!