I would nut if any of these trades happen. (they won't tho). Kase is amazing albeit a small sample size, I would consider him a 10-15 RW in the league. CBJ doesn't take Backes. Donskoi gets more than that.

Wow, I love Kase as a legit first line winger in the league, but 10-15 (I guess 20-30) is rich even for me.

I don't like the idea of trading Krug, at all, and I'd much rather pay to dump Moore, but if it gets a return of Kase I mean, sure

Krug on his own is a more valuable player that Kase

doubt.


and i love krug

In no particular order (He is not top 10-15). Here are 20 guys I wouldn't think twice about saying is better than Kase.
1) Pastrnak
2) Tarasenko
3) Marner
4) Rantaanan
4) Meier
5) Atkinson
6) Wheeler
7) Laine
8) Kucherov
9) Nylander
10) Kane
11) Kessel
12) Stone
13) Dadynov
14) Radulov
15) Boeser
16) Gallagher
17) Arvidsson
18) Oshie
19) Voracek
20) Anderson

Then the next wave of young guys (who I would group Kase with)
Tuch, Konecny, Mantha, Kapanen, Wilson, Svechnikov, Buchnevich

There. Those are the guys who are objectively better.

not sure you are being objective. Actually the guys you left off are laughable.
Kase has 73pts in 149gp with a career high of 20 goals. Giving him the rookie Benefit and ignoring his 5 goals in 53 games. It puts him at an average of 26.5 goals per 82 gp. _ which he can't stay healthy so there is also that. Three seasons. hasn't played more than 66g

Atkinson - Goals last 4 seasons: 41, 24 (in 65), 35, 27
Nylander - Had back to back 60pt seasons - Kase's high of 38
Rantanen - has had back to back 80pt seasons.
Kessel - Has averaged 68pts over 1000 games in NHL & has gotten better the last two with 90 & 82 pts season.
Wheeler - A captain. who has back to back 90pt seasons. Has not had a season under 60pts since he was with Boston (2011)
Laine - 3 NHL Seaons. 3 Seasons over 30 goals (one was 44)
Boeser - has 59g 116pts in 140 games. KASE HAS HALF AS MANY POINTS


If you offered Kase for any of the above the other team would laugh and hang up on you and then block you.

JFK announces he will not be back with Bruins and will sign in SHL

Not true. Bruins will retain his rights and he’ll prolly be back

Laine is a bottom 6 player with an elite shot, point totals are not a good way of measuring skill, Kase is one of the most underrated players in the NHL.

Points are not a good indicator of player skill

100% True. Yes, the Bruins retain his rights. He will not be here next year. Past that - who knows. Remember Khoklachev, he might be back when his KHL contract is done, but who knows.

umm.... Really? I would say there is very that is more important than production. I mean, yes other things factor in, but can you give me ONE example of a player that has a career high of 38pts that is better than the aforementioned. A) Health is a skill - a very important one Kase does not have B) WTAF Are you talking about? I don't care that Kase is underrated, he is a good player, but he is not better than Laine. He is not. Winnipeg would not trade Laine for Kase. The Ducks would make that deal. C) He is a fine player, but not in the league of the guys I mentioned, not even close. He may get there, but he is not yet. There is a reason Laine will get 7M+ and Kase will get/got 2m.

Kase is elite defensively and scores at a better primary rate than elite wingers (Pasta, Laine, etc)

A) You are making things up. Facts matter

B) He plays 40 games a year, and has never scored more than 38pts in a season. He is also older than both of the guys you referenced. He also does not even come close to scoring at the same rate as eilte wingers.

Per 82 games played
Pastrnak - 33.825 Goals per 82 games played or a goal every .41 games
Laine - 38.05 --- .46
Kase - 19.81--- .24
Boeser - 34.55 --- .42
Rantanan - 27.44 --- .33
Meier - 22.94 --- .28

What

it doesnt look like you know how scoring works so here you go

2018/2019 p1/60

Kase: 2.25
Meier: 2.10
Pasta: 1.96
Boeser: 1.53
Rantanen: 1.47
Laine: 1.29

But goals by wingers with elite playmaking centers matter. How dare you go by p1/60?

Out of all these players you listed I’d definitely rather have Kase than; Voracek, Anderson, Oshie, Boeser, Kessel, Laine, Wheeler, Atkinson and Rantanen
Id probably rather have Kase than but it’s close are; Arvidsson, Gallagher, Dadonov, Meier and Nylander

I like cherry picking stats too. You are taking a 30 game sample. Can I pick Laine's best 30 game stretch?? C'mon be better.

So according to you: 5v5
Nathan Bastian is better than anyone in the league except Marner. EDM should just unload McDavid right now. I mean who cares it was only 7 games. 23 game difference between him and Kase which is less than Kase and anyone else in top 30 with the exception of Taylor hall.
Andrew Shaw would also be the 4th best winger in the league. Ship him off for Patrick Kane. I mean his p160 is better.
Bruins should move Pastrnak for something called Austin Wagner. His p160 is like double pasta's.

Gets even worse if you look at the previous year. p160 2017/18 top 10
1. VALENTIN.ZYKOV
2. ANTHONY.CIRELLI
6. CURTIS.MCKENZIE
9. SPENCER.FOO
10. TY.RATTIE

I am not saying Kase isn't good. He is, but you are INSANE to think he could be dealt for just about any of the guys I mentioned. There are a couple you'd be right about... (18,19, 20)

Also - by purely using this stat (which if we're being honest is very misleading). David Krejci is better than: Eichel, Toews, Marchand, Coture, Stone, Pavelski, O'reilly, Coutrier, Backstrom, McKinnon and LOTS of others.

Gotta be consistent, right???
AHAHAHAH - upon further review (AND THIS IS AMAZING) Ryan spooner is better than: Debrusk, Vatrano, Heinen, Donato, Coyle, Johansson & Kuraly.

It's just so weird he is barely in the league with a p160 ahead of those guys. 4 teams in two years for a guy so talented. I just don't get it. Bruins would be better if they sent Debrusk to NYR in Nash deal instead of Spooner. Stupid Sweeney.

And Yes Primary points are important, but doesn't tell the whole story.
Better offensive Dmen than Krug include: BEN.CHIAROT, MATT.HUNWICK, ADAM.PELECH, MARKUS.NUTIVAARA, KURTIS.MACDERMID, CHRISTIAN.DJOOS, MATT.IRWIN and about 65 others. For a guy who is clearly a top 10 offensive Dman.

Just for Fun -let's remove the 5v5 and look at the P160
1. Kucherov 3.45
2. Stamkos 3.28
3. McDavid 3.27
4. Pastrnak 3.2
5. Crosby 3.04
6. Bergeron 2.9
7. Marner 2.88
8. Matthews 2.85
9. Tavares 2.8
10. Gaudreau 2.77


54. Kase 2.12 just behind Tomas Tatar (2.13) LOL

Why would you remove 5v5? That’s where almost the whole game is played....

Buddy all I said is that he outscored them, if you look at rel gf% and rel cf% it proves the Kase is good, if not elite.

well - the short answer would be special teams are an important part of the game, and I don't really see being a PK or PP guy as a negative. Kucherov goes from 2.39 p160 (5v5) to 3.45 (any). I guess my opinion is the secondary assists can be just as important.
Another reason would be the list looks a more like a good representation of skill within the league. Ex. Andrew Shaw is no longer a top 7 NHL Forward ahead of Matthews, Stamkos, Hal, Kane, etc... (although 36 is surprising and not too shabby)

Regardless - Do you really think Shaw is Elite offensive? He has better numbers than Kase.

Never said Kase wasn't good, just that
A) His sample size is way too small. You are literally using the best 30 game stretch of his career. If I could chose the best 30 stretch of Sam Gagner's career I could argue he was the best center in the league.
B) He is not as good or Valuable as Laine, Boeser, Rantanan, etc...- The entire conversation was about if he was a top 10-15 RW. He's not. Doesn't mean he isn't good. He is very good, but he can't stay healthy. C) He didn't really out score them at all. When you look at one stat, with certain filters. How about actual goals? Did he out score anyone I mentioned with his 11? How about his 20 pts last year. Now PP, PK, 4v4, 3v3 and secondary points are not important?

on top of that you changed the stat to relative CF and GF now...
Top 5 in Relative GF:
1. Brandon Pirri
2. Troy Terry
3. Alex Radulov
4. Andrew Copp
5. Nick Ritchie

Top 5 relative CF:
1. Kase
2. Mantha
3. Larkin
4. Stone
5. Simon
Sam Gagner is 6th & Crosby is 8th FYI.

The entire point of this is - Is Kase a top 10-15 RW. I don't think he is. I don't think most of the NHL thinks he is. Meaning - Vancouver is not trading Boeser for Kase. Winnipeg is not trading Laine for Kase. Toronto does not move Nylander for Kase and Col would not trade Rantanan for Kase. I don't think Pittsburgh trades Kessel for Kase.
In my opinion from my list the only ones you could argue are Oshie, Anderson and Voracek, but personally I would take those guys over Kase - well not Oshie the more I think about it...

If you are being consistent, you think Larkin is better than Sid or McDavid? Or at the very least in the conversation?

let me be clear. Larkin is very good. He is not Sid or McDavid.