Nashville, also in a cap crunch, trading their 2nd best prospect for a 3rd line C making 4.5 mil a year? No way. They already have a 3 C making too much.

Make it a 3 way trade where you move out Turris. Now you have a huge upgrade over Turris and 2 million in cap space.

No way Marner, Kapanen and Gardiner leave that much money on the table. All will get around 2mil more

Can you backup that claim ( and all the other gloaters here ) with League comparables or are you ( and all the other gloaters here ) owning crystal ball ?



I think smarter idea would be to target CAR with all their surplus on RHD. I was against Faulk trades at the start of the Season, but with recent turn in Kadri career, i would even take him into trade talks.....

Soooo you want the Leafs to absorb $6 mil against the cap?.. I see where you are going, but the Leafs cannot do that and I think Poille is kinda up Fabbro's butt since the kid grew up a Preds fan. I feel like draft picks are going to go when giving up Turris, rather than Fabbro (or Tolvanen). Ekholm going to TOR seems more feasible, but Kadri is not going to be the focal point for the return.

You want facts? here you go:

Marner: 21Yrs Old ; 26G 68A 94PTS in 82 games
Comparable at that age: Kane 2009-10 and got $10.5M x 8yrs (14.7% of cap) so that prorated to today would be equivalent to $12.2M so $11.5 would be safe bet for him.

Gardiner: Is a T4 dman on most teams. The AVERAGE salary for a top4 dman in the nhl right now is around $4M (prorated to the new $83M ceiling). Since he is a pending UFA he'll get more cause thats how free agency works

Kapanen 22yrs old; G20 A24 PTS44 in 78GP
Comparables: JVR (actually did worse) and signed for 4.25M x 6yrs. Prorated to the current cap and that would be = 5.8M so im pretty sure $4M would be a conservative for Kapanen.

When you do the math, the contracts presented on this post just don't make sense from the players perspective. No need for a crystal ball when you actually put in minimal effort and actually look at the facts that are readily available to analyze. Best to do some due diligence before making claims. Not gloating just stating facts objectively.

And not a whisper about Mango. This is how I will be judging whether or not a person knows anthyhing about the players they are talking about from now on.

well this post is focused on keeping Gardiner. If you look above, Ive already shown that itd be almost impossible to resign Gardiner. How do you think they'd be able to sign Mango then?

Marner.....$$ / Term

Kapanen ( 9 + 44 )........Hyman.........( 6 + 28 ) = 4 x 2,25M.....Brown ( 6 + 36 ) = 3 x 2,1M

Johnsson ( 3 + 43 ).......Hyman.........( 6 + 28 ) = 4 x 2,25M.....Brown ( 6 + 36 ) = 3 x 2,1M

Gardiner - read the description Op posted why the money as its written

Wow... I would have agreed that players deserve more but this post really made you look foolish.

Kane’s first deal was 11% @ 5 years.

There are about 10 very good comparables for kapanen on bridge deals but for some stupid reason you go back to JVR from 8 years ago on a long term deal,

You also completely missed the explanation. Before you start complaining to people to conform to your crooked sense of math you should learn English and do some reading. As far fetched as it sounds he was talking about Gardiner back injury being a contract issue next year.

Please come up with proper comparables. Players who match experience, performance and term. Otherwise you just look like someone who doesn’t have a clue. I’m sure you can find some comparables to back up your arguments. Even if they are outliers. But these... are NOT it.

He just did... and you agreed with the contract... case closed. The good news is kappy is probably worth less. Equal at best. So that kinda blows up your whole point.

Look at the stats for yourself. The contracts that Ive suggested statistically make sense when using comparables, which is exactly how player agents negotiate contracts for their clients. Also Gardiner is a top4 dman under 30. There are probably at the very least 10 or so teams that'd be happy to sign him for about 4M in Free Agency that are looking for a dman. The chances of nobody being interested in a UFA like Gardiner for that price are astronomically small.

Read my post above, you are just making yourself look even more dumb.
You are comparing completely wrong contract types and terms

Thats for Gardiner explained....its in thread explanation, otherwise i defenitelly agree with you....he will be 6 x 6M at least, but again...as you are ignoring $$ / Term for Gardiner, same you are doing for Marner, Kapanen and Johnsson.....as 80% of ppl on this side do. Those two things always go hand in hand.

I understand that the math for Kane is a mistake. Ill own up to that. Still think that Mathews getting 11.6M will not help in Toronto's contract negotiations with Marner's agent. But the comparables make sense for kapanen. But, if you want one thats more leafs fan friendly look at hertl and he got a 3M bridge deal in 15-16 which prorates to around 3.5M so Im sure Kapanen's agent will push to 4,000,000 to threaten a possible offersheet to get extra money. As for Gardiner's health issues, it just gives incentive then for teams in free agency to shave 500k from their original offer if he wasnt hurt. Still would be higher than what Toronto is willing to pay him as he isnt as big of a priority to sign as some of their other expiring contracts.

No need to get so riled up over one math error. Have a tea and relax. There are many ways that Marner's agent can logically get him 11+.

I still see Gardiner getting alot more in free agency than taking a 1yr deal in Toronto even with his health issues. Free Agency is stupid like that. Teams throw logic out the window and overpay for anything that has the potential to "boldster" their lineups

So Marner's going to become the 2nd highest player in the league ? Yeah, that's not happening

Kapanen can easily drive his price up to 4 cause of having a bargaining chip (threat of an offersheet) which toronto probably can't afford once marner is signed. The marleau contract has backfired this quickly. just a poorly timed signing. As for Marner, he is proving to be just as good as Tavares and Mathews and with both of them getting over 11mil, its safe to say Marner will be looking for around the same

Proper comparables for kappy

Teravainen
Tierney
Bjorkstrand
Brown
Hyman

Even with these players most have a better history of production. If you count his entire elc his comparables drop dramatically.

One math error? After you told the OP to do math lol.

You used JVR’s 6 year deal from nearly a decade ago as a comparable for a kapanen 2 year deal lol.

Teravianen: signed for 2.86M x 2 (prorated to 3.2M) at the same age. He's the definition of a bargain since he netted 76 points this year and only getting paid 5.8 nxt yr
Tierny: signed 2.9M after having a lower P/G. than what kappy has now and he was a year old when he did that. So close comaparable here
Bjorkstrand: Kapanen has better P/G, is younger and has a higher upside especially playing with either mathews or pajama boy
Brown: Way worse than kapanen, not a close comparable here at all
Hyman: signed 2.25M after only having 28pts. Leafs are fortunate that hes developed nicely in the last couple of years.

Youve pointed out a solid comparable in Tierny. However you forget about Kappy's main bargaining chip which is the threat of an offersheet. Teams are surely willing to pay extra to offersheet him for a 2nd rnd pick as he is a young winger with speed and a pretty high ceiling. The threat of an offersheet is why toronto either overpays for him or he goes to another team willing to pay much more

Marner isn't going to get more than Matthews, he won't get as much as Matthews. Kap doesn't deserve more than this, he has 1 year of service and disappeared in the 2nd half. He needs a show me year to get a big contract.

As for Gardiner, read the description.

Nashville is in trouble, they need to clear out some bad contracts and if they could send Fabro to TO, Turris to anyone who needs cap dollars and get Kadri, that would be a deadly move. Kadri would be a much better 2C for you guys than Turris and you'd save space.

I don't understand what you are saying here.

Kapanen has a ppg of 0.40. I think if you go and evaluate all of the comparables I have listed you will see that kappy falls near the bottom of the list. Great season last year, no doubts there. But he dried right up in the second half. I think the best solution for kappy is a show me deal. If he wants to try and cash in on a good half season he can have another team roll the dice. The leafs can easily trade him.

The threat of an offer sheet isn't a good bargaining tool for players. If a player is playing hardball because of an offer sheet, then trade him. He now has zero say in where he goes and trying the same stunt with another team is going to kill his reputation. So no players are not using offer sheets as threats.