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Créé par: exo2769
Équipe: 2019-20 Blackhawks de Chicago
Date de création initiale: 15 mars 2019
Publié: 15 mars 2019
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
I get that it's asking for a lot, but EDM is getting a TON in return.
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
2800 000 $
21 500 000 $
21 000 000 $
CRÉÉANSCAP HIT
Mitchell, Ian
3925 000 $
Transactions
CHI
  1. Bouchard, Evan
  2. Gagner, Sam
  3. Manning, Brandon
Détails additionnels:
Replacement RD that actually played better @ World Juniors than Bouchard, but not much and 1 tourney doesn't make/break a prospect.

a Young Top 6 forward capable of playing wing away from McDavid. Kahun's been productive next to Toews, but also next to Strome AND even Anisimov. Kahun's been producing all over

Anton Forsberg is the Talbot Replacement. Worst case he develops a bit more in Bakersfield.

Chad Krys is a 2nd rounder that plays for BU.

ALSO taking on (2) Cap Dumps!
EDM
  1. Mitchell, Ian
  2. Forsberg, Anton
  3. Kahun, Dominik
  4. Choix de 3e ronde en 2020 (CHI)
Détails additionnels:
Ian Mitchell is a Calahoo kid! Welcome him home!

Chad Krys - I don't know why he isn't showing up though.
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2020
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2021
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2022
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2483 000 000 $63 545 128 $0 $3 305 000 $19 454 872 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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880 833 $880 833 $
AG
UFA - 2
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10 500 000 $10 500 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 4
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2 625 000 $2 625 000 $
AD
NMC
UFA - 4
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778 333 $778 333 $ (Bonis de performance32 500 $$32K)
AG, AD
UFA - 1
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863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance2 475 000 $$2M)
C
UFA - 1
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1 500 000 $1 500 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
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1 500 000 $1 500 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
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4 550 000 $4 550 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 2
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5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 2
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842 500 $842 500 $ (Bonis de performance132 500 $$132K)
AG, C, AD
RFA - 3
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775 833 $775 833 $ (Bonis de performance107 500 $$108K)
AG, AD
UFA - 1
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750 000 $750 000 $
C, AG, AD
UFA - 1
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811 667 $811 667 $ (Bonis de performance132 500 $$132K)
AG, C
RFA - 3
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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5 538 462 $5 538 462 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 4
Logo de Blackhawks de Chicago
925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance425 000 $$425K)
DD
RFA - 2
Logo de Blackhawks de Chicago
6 000 000 $6 000 000 $
G
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 1
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1 200 000 $1 200 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
894 167 $894 167 $
DD
RFA - 4
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1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
G
UFA - 3
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800 000 $800 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 1
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3 850 000 $3 850 000 $
DD
UFA - 3
Logo de Blackhawks de Chicago
6 875 000 $6 875 000 $
DD
NMC
UFA - 5
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
2 835 000 $2 835 000 $
AD, C
UFA - 1
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
2 250 000 $2 250 000 $
DG
UFA - 1

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15 mars 2019 à 10 h 10
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I don't see any reason for EDM to trade a potential top pairing D man for depth garbage.
15 mars 2019 à 10 h 14
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I don't see any reason for EDM to trade a potential top pairing D man for depth garbage.


Depth garbage??? As long as you think Sanheim is garbage...then I guess I can't argue.
15 mars 2019 à 10 h 36
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Depth garbage??? As long as you think Sanheim is garbage...then I guess I can't argue.


Are you claiming Mitchell is Sanheim? That is a bold statement!
15 mars 2019 à 10 h 45
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Are you claiming Mitchell is Sanheim? That is a bold statement!


I'm claiming that Ian MItchell is a SOLID prospect much like Travis Sanheim was 3 years ago when he was in the WHL. After the Draft...Draft status has nothing to do with progress just like Ghost was a 3rd rounder in 2012. He's done pretty good in the NHL.
15 mars 2019 à 10 h 50
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The oilers make that deal without Bouchard. You could probably pull that third round pick too.
15 mars 2019 à 10 h 59
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The oilers make that deal without Bouchard. You could probably pull that third round pick too.


of course they would. I want Quinn Hughes and Brock Boeser for a 7th too....
15 mars 2019 à 11 h 5
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I'm claiming that Ian MItchell is a SOLID prospect much like Travis Sanheim was 3 years ago when he was in the WHL. After the Draft...Draft status has nothing to do with progress just like Ghost was a 3rd rounder in 2012. He's done pretty good in the NHL.


So again, how does that add up to Bouchard?
15 mars 2019 à 11 h 19
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So again, how does that add up to Bouchard?


It's a combination of reasons...and yes I do understand the quality vs quantity argument. Sometimes that Quality/Quantity works out reverse too! Hershel Walker for a bunch of no name guys like Emmitt Smith and Darren Woodsson. For the record, no problems if anyone disagrees, I just push buttons so people provide support rather than 1 sentence comments.

EDM needs help everywhere. This attempt was to try to solve a bunch of their problems. I personally believe that CAP and Depth are their (2) largest concerns. It's not high end talent...to me. McDavid/Drai/RNH Kelf/Nurse/Larrson are quality players. Having guys like Lucic/Russell/Gagner/Manning/Sekera is just killing this team. The lack of cap prevents EDM from getting any decent depth. Kahun produces away from the PP and doesn't HAVE to be with McDavid. Getting quality depth is important.... Let's look at goalie depth too. Hayden Hawkey??? Why would MTL trade him for a 5th if he was really all that good. Oliver is a fine goal prospect, but contrary to most...I think they need serious help here. Signing Mikko to that crazy deal is evidence of this.
15 mars 2019 à 11 h 26
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Quoting: DirtyDangles
I don't see any reason for EDM to trade a potential top pairing D man for depth garbage.


Who exactly is the depth garbage? Two 20 year old former 2nd round pick defensemen prospects or the full time top 9 winger? Even Forsberg could be their number 2 goalie...
15 mars 2019 à 11 h 33
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It's a combination of reasons...and yes I do understand the quality vs quantity argument. Sometimes that Quality/Quantity works out reverse too! Hershel Walker for a bunch of no name guys like Emmitt Smith and Darren Woodsson. For the record, no problems if anyone disagrees, I just push buttons so people provide support rather than 1 sentence comments.

EDM needs help everywhere. This attempt was to try to solve a bunch of their problems. I personally believe that CAP and Depth are their (2) largest concerns. It's not high end talent...to me. McDavid/Drai/RNH Kelf/Nurse/Larrson are quality players. Having guys like Lucic/Russell/Gagner/Manning/Sekera is just killing this team. The lack of cap prevents EDM from getting any decent depth. Kahun produces away from the PP and doesn't HAVE to be with McDavid. Getting quality depth is important.... Let's look at goalie depth too. Hayden Hawkey??? Why would MTL trade him for a 5th if he was really all that good. Oliver is a fine goal prospect, but contrary to most...I think they need serious help here. Signing Mikko to that crazy deal is evidence of this.


Kahun played with Debrincat and Strome and still couldn't produce like a 2nd liner. Forsberg is currently, what, 4th on CHI goalie depth chart? Ok so you get 2 former 2nd round prospects and a 3rd...not worth losing Bouchard over. If the Oilers want to trade someone for depth it should be RNH.
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Kahun played with Debrincat and Strome and still couldn't produce like a 2nd liner. Forsberg is currently, what, 4th on CHI goalie depth chart? Ok so you get 2 former 2nd round prospects and a 3rd...not worth losing Bouchard over. If the Oilers want to trade someone for depth it should be RNH.


110% fair comment! RNH, Manning, Gagner...COMBINED can still get you something decent in return. To me, it's that darn cap. They're so tight up against it and still such a mediocre team.
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15 mars 2019 à 11 h 55
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The oilers make that deal without Bouchard. You could probably pull that third round pick too.


That's hysterical! Gagner and Manning are both cap dumps; hot garbage.

Chicago should not do this trade whatsoever. Mitchell, Kahun and a 3rd rounder straight up for Bouchard is questionable. Mitchell looks extremely good and will be a very solid D man. Kahun is in his rookie season and first season a NA sheet of ice...he's got a big ceiling. Taking on Ganger and Manning's cap dumps is just bad and make this trade an emphatic "NO" from Chicago.
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That's hysterical! Gagner and Manning are both cap dumps; hot garbage.

Chicago should not do this trade whatsoever. Mitchell, Kahun and a 3rd rounder straight up for Bouchard is questionable. Mitchell looks extremely good and will be a very solid D man. Kahun is in his rookie season and first season a NA sheet of ice...he's got a big ceiling. Taking on Ganger and Manning's cap dumps is just bad and make this trade an emphatic "NO" from Chicago.


Bouchard is a very good Dman that really should be in the NHL today. His ceiling is higher than Mitchell's. The fact that Boucahrd's in London with Boqvist actually helps considering he'll have (3) years of ELC left on his contract. He also plays more of a 2-way game where Boqvist is offensively minded. Just imagine that right side!!! Joki, Boqvist Bouchard??? CHI can roll (3) SOLID Dpairs for a VERY long time. Gagner and Manning are only for 1 year.
15 mars 2019 à 12 h 41
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Bouchard is a very good Dman that really should be in the NHL today. His ceiling is higher than Mitchell's. The fact that Boucahrd's in London with Boqvist actually helps considering he'll have (3) years of ELC left on his contract. He also plays more of a 2-way game where Boqvist is offensively minded. Just imagine that right side!!! Joki, Boqvist Bouchard??? CHI can roll (3) SOLID Dpairs for a VERY long time. Gagner and Manning are only for 1 year.


But you're giving up Kahun who is a very solid top 9 forward today and proven who's on a rookie contract and giving up Mitchell who is absolutely slated as a top 4 d guy. So you're giving up those two assets plus a 3rd rounder and returning back 1 player (who is better then mitchell) and taking on 2 cap dumps...it's not a balanced trade because of that.

All that said, neither team is looking to part ways with ELC's either as both are going through a retool or rebuild.
 
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