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Créé par: rja

Équipe: 2019-20 Rangers de New York

Date de création initiale: 11 mars 2019

Publié: 11 mars 2019

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

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I will try to repost this every so often so that NYR, TB and BUF fans can all have a look. Overall I think every team involved adds (or also subtracts) something they are looking for.

TB dumps half of Callahan's salary, Rangers give them a PMD who will be cheap and can be inserted onto the third pair, receive a reward for taking on Callahan at 2.9, and move him near his home (Rochester) to Buffalo, where the Sabres pay a fairly small price for a physical, experienced veteran to help their young core.

Let me know your thoughts, and try not to take anything personally.

Notes:
1- I know Raddysh is a very good prospect, but TB is in a precarious situation with its cap, and every team knows that. It does not have to be Raddysh in this deal; it could be another prospect or higher round pick. Nevertheless, it will likely cost them something significant. At least with this trade, TB fills a need, and grabs a solid third pairing defenseman who can fit into their system and move the puck.

2- Callahan has a 16 team trade list, so it does not have to be the Sabres picking him up. I picked them because he wants to go back closer to home, and I figured they would be somewhat interested in Callahan as a leader in the locker room. With only a $1.75 million cap hit for one year, BUF may consider this as an option.

3- This would not be my final NYR 19-20 roster; only showing the Callahan transactions.

Signatures de joueurs autonomes

RFA	ANS	CAP HIT
Buchnevich, Pavel	3	3 500 000 $
Deangelo, Anthony	2	2 250 000 $
Lemieux, Brendan	2	975 000 $
Claesson, Fredrik	1	900 000 $
Lettieri, Vinni	1	1 000 000 $

UFA		ANS	CAP HIT
Brickley, Connor		1	750 000 $

Transactions

NYR

Callahan, Ryan (2 900 000 $ retained)
Raddysh, Taylor
Choix de 4e ronde en 2020 (TBL)

TBL

Choix de 5e ronde en 2020 (NYR)

Détails additionnels:

Neal Pionk

NYR

Choix de 4e ronde en 2020 (BUF)

BUF

Callahan, Ryan (1 150 000 $ retained)

Rachats de contrats

Dan Girardi: 3 611 111 $
Brad Richards: 0 $

Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire

Ryan Spooner: 900 000 $ (22.5%)
Ryan Callahan: 1 150 000 $ (19.83%)

Enfoui

Matt Beleskey: 825 000 $ (1 900 000 $)

Repêchage	1e ronde	2e ronde	3e ronde	4e ronde	5e ronde	6e ronde	7e ronde
2020
2021
2022

FORMATION

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INTÉGRÉ

TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
23	82 500 000 $	66 838 609 $	0 $	1 332 500 $	15 661 391 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Kreider, Chris 4 625 000 $4 625 000 $ AG M-NTC UFA - 1	Zibanejad, Mika 5 350 000 $5 350 000 $ C NMC UFA - 3	Namestnikov, Vladislav 3 250 000 $3 250 000 $ AG, AD, C UFA - 1
Vesey, Jimmy 2 275 000 $2 275 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 1	Strome, Ryan 3 100 000 $3 100 000 $ AD, C UFA - 1	Fast, Jesper 1 850 000 $1 850 000 $ AD UFA - 1
Chytil, Filip 894 166 $894 166 $ (350 000 $$350K) C, AG UFA - 2	Andersson, Lias 894 166 $894 166 $ (850 000 $$850K) C, AG RFA - 2	Buchnevich, Pavel 3 500 000 $3 500 000 $ AG, AD, C UFA - 2
Nieves, Cristoval 700 000 $700 000 $ C, AG UFA - 1	Howden, Brett 863 333 $863 333 $ C, AG UFA - 2	Lemieux, Brendan 975 000 $975 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1
	Brickley, Connor 750 000 $750 000 $ C, AG, AD UFA	Lettieri, Vinni 1 000 000 $1 000 000 $ C, AD UFA - 1

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Staal, Marc 5 700 000 $5 700 000 $ DG NMC UFA - 2	Deangelo, Anthony 2 250 000 $2 250 000 $ DD UFA - 1	Lundqvist, Henrik 8 500 000 $8 500 000 $ G NMC UFA - 2
Skjei, Brady 5 250 000 $5 250 000 $ DG UFA - 5	Shattenkirk, Kevin 1 750 000 $1 750 000 $ DD NTC UFA - 1	Georgiev, Alexandar 792 500 $792 500 $ (132 500 $$132K) G UFA - 1
Hájek, Libor 833 333 $833 333 $ DG UFA - 2	Smith, Brendan 4 350 000 $4 350 000 $ DG/DD, AG M-NTC UFA - 2
Claesson, Fredrik 900 000 $900 000 $ DG UFA - 1

11 mars 2019 à 22 h 52

Skyraider112

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In no way is Callahan and his contract worth a 4th lol. You trade us a 3rd with him and we give you a 7th

11 mars 2019 à 22 h 53

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Or Buffalo just sends him home to Rochester, doubt they move a 4th for that though. Seems petty but theirs a better chance that 4th plays for Buffalo than Callahan

11 mars 2019 à 22 h 54

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Quoting: Skyraider112

In no way is Callahan and his contract worth a 4th lol. You trade us a 3rd with him and we give you a 7th

You are paying 1.75 of the cap hit for a year- the return can be less but you're not paying 5.8. Read.

11 mars 2019 à 22 h 56

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Quoting: Shibbal18

Or Buffalo just sends him home to Rochester, doubt they move a 4th for that though. Seems petty but theirs a better chance that 4th plays for Buffalo than Callahan

Fair. It could be a different pick or a player NYR would like to take a chance on that BUF does not want anymore. Was more focused on the Tampa transaction. Like I said, it does not have to be Buffalo; I just picked them because he's from Rochester.

11 mars 2019 à 22 h 58

justaBoss

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Quoting: Shibbal18

Or Buffalo just sends him home to Rochester, doubt they move a 4th for that though. Seems petty but theirs a better chance that 4th plays for Buffalo than Callahan

Except you can't send him to AHL due to his NMC.

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11 mars 2019 à 23 h 5

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Except you can't send him to AHL due to his NMC.

He gets traded 2x here, i think thatd be voided by that point

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11 mars 2019 à 23 h 6

Sagecoll

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Yeah it's the 1st trade that doesn't make sense....

11 mars 2019 à 23 h 7

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Quoting: Sagecoll

Yeah it's the 1st trade that doesn't make sense....

You are high on Pionk, eh?

11 mars 2019 à 23 h 17

Sagecoll

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Quoting: rja

You are high on Pionk, eh?

personally? no

but I think there are teams around the league who DO value him, and not trying to capitalize on that is poor asset management.

11 mars 2019 à 23 h 23

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Quoting: Sagecoll

personally? no

but I think there are teams around the league who DO value him, and not trying to capitalize on that is poor asset management.

People who I have spoke with on this website have valued Pionk around a 4th or so. If you could grab another pick from TB then sure go get it. Most people however seem to value him as a third pairing defenseman, and to grab someone like Raddysh, or Katchouk or one of TB's better prospects for him would be a good pickup in my opinion, especially when Deangelo has performed well.

11 mars 2019 à 23 h 23

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Sabres cut out the middle man. They have cap space. Callahan, 2.9 retained, Raddysh and a pick for a pick and a border line d prospect.

11 mars 2019 à 23 h 26

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Quoting: Riley816

Sabres cut out the middle man. They have cap space. Callahan, 2.9 retained, Raddysh and a pick for a pick and a border line d prospect.

TB is looking for a player to play on their third pair. Who in BUF's system is cheap and can play on TB's third pairing next season? I could not find anyone that would be of preference over Pionk.

11 mars 2019 à 23 h 30

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Quoting: Riley816

Sabres cut out the middle man. They have cap space. Callahan, 2.9 retained, Raddysh and a pick for a pick and a border line d prospect.

Also, do you want Callahan at 2.9 million? Seems like a lot, especially if you want to in free agency (besides retaining Skinner).

11 mars 2019 à 23 h 37

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Quoting: rja

Also, do you want Callahan at 2.9 million? Seems like a lot, especially if you want to in free agency (besides retaining Skinner).

And if Buffalo passes on their end of the trade?? Why do the Rangers want Callahan at 2.9 million???

11 mars 2019 à 23 h 44

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Quoting: Riley816

And if Buffalo passes on their end of the trade?? Why do the Rangers want Callahan at 2.9 million???

I think NYR can find a team to take Callahan for a year at $1.75 million. As stated in the notes, I picked Buffalo only because Callahan is from Rochester. Callahan has 15 other teams on the list, so I think NYR could find a trading partner for a small return, like a 4th or 5th rounder.

Even if NYR cannot find a trading partner, NYR are rebuilding, and can retain Callahan at 2.9 unless they are looking to spend most of their cap space in free agency. BUF is looking to start winning now, so I am not sure why they would want Callahan at $2.9 million. Thought this would be a cheap price for a locker room leader that Buffalo could add, while still being able to add more in free agency. Plus, if need be, NYR can retain a little more on Callahan.

Unsure whether all those question marks are trying to signal tone. No need to be upset here; not trying to upset you or anything. Just thought this would be a reasonable set of moves for all teams.

11 mars 2019 à 23 h 47

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Quoting: rja

I think NYR can find a team to take Callahan for a year at $1.75 million. As stated in the notes, I picked Buffalo only because Callahan is from Rochester. Callahan has 15 other teams on the list, so I think NYR could find a trading partner for a small return, like a 4th or 5th rounder.

Even if NYR cannot find a trading partner, NYR are rebuilding, and can retain Callahan at 2.9 unless they are looking to spend most of their cap space in free agency. BUF is looking to start winning now, so I am not sure why they would want Callahan at $2.9 million. Thought this would be a cheap price for a locker room leader that Buffalo could add, while still being able to add more in free agency.

Unsure whether all those question marks are trying to signal tone. No need to be upset here; not trying to upset you or anything. Just thought this would be a reasonable moves for all teams.

Raddysh would be the Sabres best prospect. An extra 1.+ mil would be worth it. Callahan for one year or Raddysh for 6??

11 mars 2019 à 23 h 49

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Quoting: Riley816

Raddysh would be the Sabres best prospect. An extra 1.+ mil would be worth it. Callahan for one year or Raddysh for 6??

Not following...Raddysh is currently in TB's system. These are two separate transactions. NYR first trades for Callahan and Raddysh, then elects to keep Raddysh, and give Callahan to BUF for a much cheaper price than 2.9 million.

11 mars 2019 à 23 h 51

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Quoting: Riley816

Raddysh would be the Sabres best prospect. An extra 1.+ mil would be worth it. Callahan for one year or Raddysh for 6??

Oh sorry I follow now. Sure that makes sense, but BUF may want to go get a Dzingel or Hayes for example, but would not be able to if they retain half of Callahan's contract.

11 mars 2019 à 23 h 52

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Quoting: Riley816

Raddysh would be the Sabres best prospect. An extra 1.+ mil would be worth it. Callahan for one year or Raddysh for 6??

They certainly could do that; just not sure if they would want to. Also, NYR of course has to act quick enough to get this chain of trades done.

12 mars 2019 à 0 h 28

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Brad Richards was going to get paid until he was 45?! And after the lockout!? What are GMs thinking.

12 mars 2019 à 15 h 40

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Quoting: rja

Well Quinn used him as a top PK/top PP/top pair guy for the majority of the season. Which means one of 2 things

1) Either Quinn is the dumbest coach in the league
2) Someone else values him similarly.

I'm holding out hope that it's the latter, which means a 4th is WAYYY to low.

12 mars 2019 à 16 h 1

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Quoting: Sagecoll

Or at this point, because they are in the middle of the season and want to evaluate their players to see who they want going forward, and given that they are not making the playoffs this season, Pionk, being a younger player with less experience in the league, is given a shot. It's hard to figure out the true motive of a team in NYR's position this season, especially at this point in the season, where they continue to rotate players in and out of the lineup. Quinn also has admitted earlier in the season that Pionk lost a little bit of his confidence, as he sat out a while after injury. Quinn and management may way to play him to give him that confidence back.

Whatever the reason is, however, may not necessarily have a major impact on his value. I see NYR fans think he's worth a 2nd; I see other NYR fans think he's awful. An objective test would be to ask non-NYR fans about his value (if they know anything about Pionk and NYR for that matter). I tried to take the middle ground here and evaluate him as a third pairing defenseman, who will be cost effective for TB, and worth around a 4th. If you want to add a pick here or there, that's fine, but I thought the fair base would be Callahan (retaining half) and Raddysh for Pionk.

12 mars 2019 à 16 h 48

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Quoting: rja

sure I just don't think it's a fan perspective, it's a stat perspective. His analytics are atrocious. But we know that a handful of teams don't really use those in evaluations. To those GM's, he'd be fine. So anyone who knows on-ice metrics thinks he's awful, and most who don't see a career .4 p/gm dman who can pk, run a pp, and handle tough matchups. Guys like Keith Gretzky, Jim Benning, and such will view that highly. Whereas Dubas will not.

12 mars 2019 à 22 h 30

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Quoting: Sagecoll

And I think GMs like Gretzky and Benning are aware of his "atrocious" stats and can use that to their advantage in negotiations to lower the price for Pionk. I think BreisBois is smart enough to know he does not need to pay such a high price for him. But if you think this is off we can agree to disagree; we've seen stranger trades in the NHL.

13 mars 2019 à 4 h 11

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Buffalo would NOT be interested unless Callahan was coming with a piece like you have the Rangers getting
Otherwise,
we already have PLENTY of 4th liners
Larsson, Girgensons, Sobotka, Rodrigues, Wilson, and even Okposo at this point

No way they’d add ANOTHER one,
unless we are getting something more out of it than just tough Vet leadership

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