The Detroit trade is fair in value. If Detroit was going to trade AA that would work.

Darren Dreger when asked if AA was on the market:
“His name crossed my desk last week, and I did some checking with my Red Wings sources. I was told, ‘No, no, no, no.’ Unless it’s one of those can’t miss opportunities, they see Athanasiou as being part of their future, that development of a younger core.”

As an oiler fan I like that deal. Secondary scoring they desperately need, would probably play with McDavid

I'm okay with everything other than shipping out Jaskin. For the life of me I don't understand why Caps fans want to ship him out. He needs to be played more.

Detroit deal isnt bad but not good enough. Johansson doesn't do much, definitely not valuing him as the 1st round pick he was. Unless you wanna give something like 2019 1st + 2020 1st + 2020 2nd I don't think Caps have the expendable pieces to make it work.

Could possibly raise from Johansen to Christian Djoos, there.

I don't see an extra 1st pick going in, but of course earlier drafts included Andre Burakovsky, who has thirty more career points than Athanasiou, but is in a slump.

Caps won’t give up 2 firsts, but as Eli said, Johansen could be “upgraded” into a better prospect/young defenseman. I’d be okay with doing Bowey over Johansen, someone who has NHL experience and is still very young. I don’t wanna get rid of Djoos yet. I understand it’s going to take a lot to get AA, but I’d rather not lose Djoos for him.

I appreciate the input and insight

So there has to be a bigger piece than just picks and prospects coming back? Is that what that means?

ED says YES PLEASE!!

Hey, I've done a bunch of research, and based on the two year window that Washington seems to hold, I think that Jean-Gabriel Pageau is your best target for trade. He's exceptional at taking face-offs, he kills penalties very well, especially on a team like Ottawa that is awful on the PK, he shoots right, can play top six minutes, and is still young with a couple years left on his contract. He has a pretty low cap hit too. What do you think of him and what do you think the asking price would be?

It's a fair deal but DETROIT ISN'T TRADING AA. He plays a big part in The Wings rebuild and to pry him loose it would take far more than he is worth to any other team.

He has one point and one takeaway in eight games this year. Hitting only twice a game (which would be good for Jaskin or Dowd, but says Pageu isn't feeling like himself). If you're done for the year, maybe offer Gudbranson? On the caps, he seems healthier than Djoos or Bau? But I don't know.

Edit: When healthy, he's a good 3C, who could be a big help. But will he get healthy in time for the playoffs? Burakovsky has ten points in his last thirty games or so. Seems to be almost healthy. Might get up to his old .50 points/game pace in time for the playoffs again. So I wouldn't see a Burakovsky for Pageau trade as a strong move for the Caps unless it's a way to pry Lajoie loose, on a much better cap hit, for longer.

AA isn't available, Besides he would cost you your best D prospect plus a 2019 1st round pick. Detroit easily declines that offer.

I am so confused. That is literally what was offered above. Plus a 2nd.

"WSH
Athanasiou, Andreas
DET
Johansen, Lucas
2019 1st round pick (WSH)
2019 2nd round pick (EDM)"

Lucas Johansen isn't just Ryan's little brother. He's a first round pick defenseman who has been called NHL ready for the last two years, and has another year left on his ELC.

Add in that Brady is suggesting Burakovsky is a cap dump in this, while Burakovsky still has 39 more NHL points (counting playoffs) than Athanasiou, and I think what you meant to say was:

Wow, Brady, thanks. Are you offering Burakovsky and Johansen for just AA? You are too cool, bro. Let's be best friends!

Yeah my bad, The offer would probably be more acceptable. But AA just isn't getting moved. Detroit could get better deal for AA from Nashville or Carolina something around AA+ to Nashville or Carolina for one of their D prospects doubt Washington cuts it.

For the record, in case you're not familiar with Pageau, this was his first injury since 2011-12 in the QMJHL, and he's currently healthy and almost back on track. Here's his stats over the past 5 years and how they'd translate to the Capitals. These would be his projected stats per 82 games based on his last three season on Ottawa. (I'm not just picking three years, those are his only full years in the NHL)

Ottawa: G: 15, A: 20, Pts: 35, HIT: 155, FOW%: 52.7%, TOI: 16:31, BLK: 70, S: 152, oiSH%: 8.8 (7th), oiSV%: 92.1(9th), PDO: 100.9, dZs: 60.3% (3rd), GF/60: 2.5 (9th), GA/60: 2.5 (8th), PKGF/60: 1.5, PKGA/60: 8.0 (6th)
WSH: G: 18, A: 24, Pts: 42, HIT: 155, FOW%: 52.7%, TOI: 15:47, BLK: 70, S: 157, oiSH%: 11.7, oiSV%: 91.8, PDO: 103.5, dZs: 56.2%, GF/60: 3.6, GA/60: 2.5, PKGF/60%: 1.5, PKGA/60: 7.7

I adjusted some of these based on overall team player rankings in particular statistics, hence the parentheses. If he was first on Senators in dZs%, I translated that to first on the Capitals in dZs%, etc. Burakovsky has a worse health track record than Pageau. I wouldn't worry about him. You could wait two or three weeks until he is himself again and proving that this is just a one time injury. He won't cost a lot, probably Kammerer and a low mid pick or just Burakovsky. Still not sure on him?

Girard's coming along pretty well. If that's your answer, I get it, but I think you could get him a whole lot cheaper than AA, based on draft position.

Fabbro has draft position, and he's putting up almost a point a game against college kids. But if you just want someone who puts up a point a game as a college junior.... how about AA plus for Brian Pinho? http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=168019



I'm kidding. But maybe Pinho and Djoos together make a fair offer.

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That's a really interesting set of ideas. Do you know if any of it works?

I just gave you three stats that make me think Pageau is playing through serious pain. I think you just responded that he is, in fact, playing. So I'm not sure where we disagree, so far.

For whatever it's worth, Ottawa fans on here have been trying to get a 3rd and a B prospect for Pageau this season. I think they predict more austerity, and a slow rebuild through the draft. It's possible that, in his current slump, the price could be even lower than that. If the Caps get two seconds for Burakovsky they'd have cap space to pick up Pageau for a 4th, 5th, and Megna. But unless Pageau's health improves, Washington might be better off this year with Megna, whose cap hit they can already afford, and whom they already have.

Really? His hit totals, shots, blocks, face-off wins, GA/60, TOI, PK numbers, and oiSV% numbers are all on par with if not better than last three seasons. He looks like he's himself to me. Why do you not think he is? He hasn't hit the scoreboard much, but that's pretty hard to do when your dZs% is above 60% and your line mates are Zach Smith and Magnus Paajarvi.

Likely AA deal would need slight tweeking but think the BIG problem is..one they don't wanna trade him & 2 ..if they did move him it's HIGHLY likely it'd be to a Western Conference team so he doesn't burn us in division or conference multi times per yr....he's a very unique talent ..that's the big issue I see ..is the destination preference out west ..but hell everyone but Larkin can be had for the RIGHT price.. But it'd take a knock socks off offer

Noted. Keep him.

You're right on hits. I had remembered him as a 3 hits/game guy, but it turns out that was only in 14-15.

It's hard to tell anything from an eight game sample size, but while a lot of those numbers look promising, his offense is down from 3/8ths of a point/game, career, to 1/8th this year. Burakovsky, who started out that bad this year, is up to about a quarter point a game so far this year, and is playing the toughest zone starts of his career by 12%. PGP's zone starts have only dropped by 1.3%. His corsi is down 2.6%. So he's looking rusty or maybe something hurts.

I still generally agree with you that he's a better fit for the Caps than an offense-only guy who plays training-wheel zone starts at 24 and can't crack either special team like Athanasiou. The Caps are pretty decent, at evens, and could use help on special teams. Athanasiou on a checking line would be a brave experiment. Oshie on a checking line is just TJ Oshie, but without the thirty goals.

True. 8 games is a really small sample size though. Two other guys that could be matches are Bjugstad and Rodrigues. Rodrigues fits more of the offence and could make that line pretty solid offensively. Oshie could easily score thirty goals with Rodrigues in the middle. Bjugstad is honestly really solid all the way around. He can score, though doesn’t have a high ceiling, he can defend, he can win faceoffs, and his contract is solid. Florida might retain a little bit on it.