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The Dubas Dillema - matching deals for MampM

Créé par: Juice
Équipe: 2019-20 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Date de création initiale: 25 janv. 2019
Publié: 27 janv. 2019
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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The roster below barely works...no trades other than moving Brown out...maybe save some more coin if you leave Gauthier at 4C and only trade Connor for a pick.

But this doesn't take into account performance bonus overages...which the Leafs are likely to do if they add players at this year's deadline.

For the most part, Dubas plays his cards close to the vest...but he has a knack for dropping info about his strategy from time to time.

My interpretation from either obvious or subtle things he's said:

1. Nylander is not going to be traded (at least not anytime soon)
2. Gardiner is almost certainly gone next year unless some major trade sheds a ton of salary cap or Gardiner wants to take a deal well below market value...likely both need to occur for him to be a Leaf next year
3. Sandin and Kapanen ARE available for trade. Why even bother saying this unless teams are asking for them and you want other GM's to know their current offers aren't up to snuff
4. He wants Marner and Matthews signed ASAP
5. He wanted Marner signed first but that went nowhere so no he's moved on to Matthews...who is more willing to sign in-season

6. This is the key for me....Dubas doesn't want to make any short-sighted trades....ideally this trade deadline any deals aren't for rentals...but he can't make trades for players with term until Matthews and Marner are signed. Essentially...you can't finish the 2018-19 roster until you have the framework complete for the 2019-20 roster.

THE LEAFS DON'T HAVE CAP SPACE TO ADD SALARY AT THE DEADLINE!

Right now they are in a position to carry over performance bonus money on to next year's cap. Every dollar added to the 2018-19 roster will essentially get carried over onto next year's cap unless the team finds a way to end the season with about $3.7m in cap space. They currently have less than that.

I don't think Dubas can commit to carrying over performance bonuses to next year unless he knows what wiggle room he's likely to have after Matthews and Marner are signed...

..so... if those guys don't get signed before the TDL I don't think we can expect any major acquisitions to the current roster. Yes..it's possible he sees a deal that's to his liking and pulls the trigger...opting to trade whatever complimentary pieces in the off season needed to get under the cap...but that can't be plan A.

Second issue.....why do we automatically assume Marner gets less than Matthews? Marner has been the better producer and more consistent over the same period of time. The only things that separate them, really, are that fact that Matthews is big and plays C, while Marner is small and plays RW. Why wouldn't they look at this like Toews/Kane or Getzlaf/Perry?

Are these guys not worth the same coin? For me...a fair number to get both guys signed is $22m. For me, that is ideally $11m each but most (including myself), think it's closer to $12m and $10m. I think everyone wins if Marner, Matthews and Tavares are all locked up for the next 6yrs at $11m each. It would be crazy..but the leafs would have 3 of the top 4 cap hits in the league this way....I'm just hoping both guys see how difficult it is to build a winning team by looking at Edmonton and McDavid...and both opt to take less than their perceived worth.
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27 janv. 2019 à 22 h 5
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That is one long ass desc but I agree! haha
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I feel like Edmonton would take Brown for a 3rd or a fourth and a C prospect. But yes I do tend to agree. Marner is far more consistent. Most people were giving Matthews more money when he was on a 120-130 point pace. Now he’s on a 100 point pace but likely hits a 92-97 point pace by year’s end. Plus he’s been more receptive to contract talks. I think his contract is going to come down to 12 max. More likely 11-11.5. Now Marner is on track to outscore Matthews. He more than likely hits 97-102 points. He’s also not getting a contract until the summer. I don’t think he takes less than Kane. If I was to predict the future, I’d say that Marner take 10.5-11 and Matthews takes 11.5-12.
27 janv. 2019 à 22 h 7
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That is one long ass desc but I agree! haha


Ya I have a definite tendency to ramble....thanks for reading it thru tho
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I feel like Edmonton would take Brown for a 3rd or a fourth and a C prospect. But yes I do tend to agree. Marner is far more consistent. Most people were giving Matthews more money when he was on a 120-130 point pace. Now he’s on a 100 point pace but likely hits a 92-97 point pace by year’s end. Plus he’s been more receptive to contract talks. I think his contract is going to come down to 12 max. More likely 11-11.5. Now Marner is on track to outscore Matthews. He more than likely hits 97-102 points. He’s also not getting a contract until the summer. I don’t think he takes less than Kane. If I was to predict the future, I’d say that Marner take 10.5-11 and Matthews takes 11.5-12.


Ya...I think you'll probably be right....just thought it was interesting how no one really looks at them as equals, contractually...when the best examples in recent history of a star winger and centre coming off ELC's have them getting identical figures
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I've posted that idea once before, giving all 3 superstars equal 11 million per year contracts, just with different lengths. If camp Kappy looks at Tbay's middle 6 forwards and looks at Yotes signing of Dvorak contract, than Kappy gets much more than just 3 million. Honestly Kappy and Nylander were drafted in the same year, so he can try Pasta, Draisaitl, Larkin, Elhors and Reinharts names out too. Actually Reinhart's 2 year @ 3.65 million would be the bar to match.
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Agree with much of what you wrote. Still 11m for Marner and Matthews? Always seems that the Leafs pay premium to sign their own RFAs. Next year 11m is the 2nd highest salary in the league next McDavid. Tavares, and Doughty get 11m. In a 31 team league, the Leafs have 3 of the top paid or 7 players. league wide. Seems absurd.
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Agree with much of what you wrote. Still 11m for Marner and Matthews? Always seems that the Leafs pay premium to sign their own RFAs. Next year 11m is the 2nd highest salary in the league next McDavid. Tavares, and Doughty get 11m. In a 31 team league, the Leafs have 3 of the top paid or 7 players. league wide. Seems absurd.


Depends on which angle you look at it from....is it absurd we likely have 3 of the top 5 paid players in the league? Or is it great that we have all these studs on our roster who will all be in their primes throughout the duration of these big deals?

I think it's awesome and we should embrace it.

How many years did we go without a true #1 centreman? How much were we willing to give up just to land one? Now we have 2. I don't see this as the leafs paying a 'premium' compared to other teams. I see the leafs paying 'premium players'...it just so happens that they need contracts when the cap is making a sizeable jump so, on the surface, it looks worse perhaps
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Depends on which angle you look at it from....is it absurd we likely have 3 of the top 5 paid players in the league? Or is it great that we have all these studs on our roster who will all be in their primes throughout the duration of these big deals?

I think it's awesome and we should embrace it.

The cap isn't taking a significant jump. Even with the Vegas bump last year. it went from 75 to 79.5, Next year 83, I appreciate the fact that Leaf have some great young players. But geez other teams do but they aren't paying 11m for theirs. Leafs seem to be paying hometown premiums.
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I think $85m is a reasonable expectation for 2020-21. You have the Seattle expansion plus the gambling deal adding towards hockey related revenues.

As for other teams...you don't see a lot of teams inking young stars to long term deals coming out of ELC....but..for guys like Crosby and Ovechkin...giving them a bigger piece of the pie on their 2nd contract makes each of their cap hits today seem like peanuts.

So maybe each guy would take lower AAV's on a 3 or 5 year deal....but to get 6+ years you have to pay more than what they're worth right now...in hopes you're paying less than what they're worth in the 2nd half of their deals.
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I think $85m is a reasonable expectation for 2020-21. You have the Seattle expansion plus the gambling deal adding towards hockey related revenues.

As for other teams...you don't see a lot of teams inking young stars to long term deals coming out of ELC....but..for guys like Crosby and Ovechkin...giving them a bigger piece of the pie on their 2nd contract makes each of their cap hits today seem like peanuts.

There seems to tendancy for teams to sign their ELC to RFA to somewhat UFA contract. Mcdcvid, Draistal, Eichel.. Going to interesting with the three have two big stars and their contracts and then there is Rantanen, Laine, Point Tkachuk. I might have missed so others. Tavares supposedly took 2m less to be a Leaf. Hoping hometown Marner sees the benefit of being a long term Leaf....and I really think there are life long benefits and takes a discount, though I don't blame anyone for not getting top dollar. Matthews is a little more "worldly". I don't think he married to the Leafs life long. Just hope it isn't a Nylander scenario where the contracts are signed December 1st.

So maybe each guy would take lower AAV's on a 3 or 5 year deal....but to get 6+ years you have to pay more than what they're worth right now...in hopes you're paying less than what they're worth in the 2nd half of their deals.
 
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