You might be close with the St.Louis and Nashville ideas to at least have negotiations, but there's no way in hell that Heinen and Donato get you a 1st, and especially not Edmonton's 1st which could easily be a lottery pick

Chiarelli is desperate to save his job & he gets two young players who might be able to help get them in the playoffs. They are currently 1pt out of the 6th spot. I agree it's a steal if it's a lottery pick, but it could easliy be the 22nd pick.

Which is why I say **** no to that deal. All deals are trash. Grzelcyk is worth more than a 2nd and a 5th. He's one of your most valuable pieces in a trade and you're going to trade him for scraps? St. Louis deal sucks. Too much for Schenn. Maroon is the last thing this team needs.

You couldn't be further ahead in preparing for an expansion draft. Why would you trade prospects without a deeper understanding of their ceiling. BOS might not have a roster problem when Seattle comes into the league. You made the team worse. Depth is not a luxury.

Man, this just....I don’t even know where to start.

I’m being generous with my rating

Edmonton - Honestly - if it's the 22nd pick - probably still a decent deal. Heinen and Donato are not young. Cehlarik is changing my opinion of these guys. I know it's a very small sample, but it looks different. It looks like someone who belongs vs someone who looks like they could belong. It's not just the production. It's the ability to stay on your skates and not avoid contact. JFK has impressed recently and seems to have taken a step forward. Donato spends half of his shift faking inside, going outside and falling.

Grzelyck - I am sorry, No. He is not worth more than a 2nd. He just isn't and I like the player, but he has been a healthy scratch numerous times. There is not a team in the league that would give you a 1st for him. He is a 4-6 man.

STL - Probably a slight overpay, but Maroon adds a little toughness. This team needs it badly and can play up if need be. It's a one year thing. It can't be Chara or Miller who drop the gloves all the time, they are too important and need to be on the ice. Schenn's value is in the extra year on a good deal.

1) You have to prepare for it and now is the time because you do something about it. A risk, yes, but the gaining of an asset they won't need to protect.
2) Why would you trade prospects without a deeper understanding of their ceiling - I traded one prospect - Frederic. Heinen will be 24 before next season and Donato 23 - Pastrnak is younger than both. It's time to XXXX or get off the pot.
3) This team is better now without question. Schenn and Maroon are better than Donato and Heinen. at least now. I think Schenn has more points that them combined, can play center and will actually hit someone.

Don't really care. You literally don't like anything and never have anything to add other than "no".

He is more than likely going to sit come playoff time. He is also 25. You cannot roll two Dmen who are 5'9" in the playoffs. If they do. He is still only getting about 12m night come playoffs and will be their 6th dman without question (assuming health).

Bruins 2nd rd picks or "Scraps" last four years.
Axelsson - ?
Studnicka - seems like he will be pretty darn good
Lindgren - TBD - seem legit though 3-6 dman
Carlo, JFK & Lauzon - not scraps.

Edmonton has said they're only looking to move their 1st round pick this year for a bonafide top 6 forward with term on his contract that can play with McDavid. Neither Heinen nor Donato fit that. They're both probably 3rd liners and aren't worth a 1st even if it's 31st overall. I understand that you're saying Chiarelli is desparate to save his job, but he has to make playoffs to do that. Getting Heinen or Donato don't really change their chances too much and if he moved the 1st rounder for them he'd be all but gone regardless.

Fair enough. although I do think they both have top 6 potential. Key word - potential.

Just Curious - what if because of this you are more comfortable dealing Puljujarvi because now you have two guys under control for a few years that could fill top 9 now and possibly top 6 going forward... say you could get Philly to trade Simmonds for Puljujarvi (and a future 3rd or something, or even one of Heinen/Donato in a flip) ?

Woof! That's the only response here. Especially your Grzelcyk take. WOOF!! You do realize Grzelcyk has been scratched ONCE this season, right? The other 2 games he didn't play in were due to a LBI. He shouldn't sit either. Kevan Miller should sit. You have zero idea what you're talking about if that's your Grzelcyk take. Do you watch hockey?

I may not, but Cassidy does. Check the TOI last year in the playoffs. There is Zero chance Grz plays over Miller. Zero.
A) he is not as good miller
B) he is LD. He is/might better than Moore, but still your 6th best man.


There is one guy on the team with less SH TOI and that is Krug.
He is 2nd in PP ice time, BUT McAvoy is just behind and has been out most of the year, so I assume those numbers will decline and McAvoy will over take him in the number 2 spot

For me - especially on a team that has Krug who is clearly Elite offensively, The SH TOI shows where they rank or how the coaches feel about the player, especially heading into a playoff where you will need to shut down Toronto and Tampa
These are actual stats not your not how you feel. Please explain them if he is as good as you are saying. Also - find me anyone on any fan base who would trade a 1st for Grz. I will give you the 5th could be a 4th for ECF and 3rd for SCF. Fine.
SHTOI
1) Chara
2) Carlo
3) Moore
4) Miller
5) McAvoy
6) Grz
7) Krug

5v5 TOI

1)McAvoy
2) Carlo
3) Chara
4) Krug
5) Grz - 2 secs more than moore.
6) Moore
7) Miller

I just don't see how he plays in the playoffs. Please give me some sort of tangible reason, not just Woof and absolutely no explanation

Also Miller's TOI is down because he has left two games injured and he fights.

@Propeller09 Man, you don't have a clue what you're watching in regards to Grzelcyk. It's okay, I guess. I'm not sure how you miss how good he is on the ice, but it is what is is. Why are you focused on TOI as your reasoning for anything? This season for 5v5 TOI:

MATTHEW GRZELCYK -- 749.00 TOTAL TOI = 17:04 TOI/GM

1.) BRANDON CARLO -- 687.00 TOTAL TOI = 18:01 TOI/GM
2.) CHARLIE MCAVOY -- 369.00 TOTAL TOI = 17:57 TOI/GM
3.) ZDENO CHARA -- 503.00 TOTAL TOI = 17:35 TOI/GM
4.) TOREY KRUG -- 616.00 TOTAL TOI = 17:05 TOI/GM
5.) MATTHEW GRZELCYK -- 749.00 TOTAL TOI = 17:04 TOI/GM *** One second behind Krug for #4 ***
6.) KEVAN MILLER -- 358.00 TOTAL TOI = 16:27 TOI/GM
7.) JOHN MOORE -- 678 TOI TOTAL TOI 16:14 TOI/GM

Above is Grzleyck and how he compares to his peers on defense in regards to 5v5 TOI. I'm not sure where you're getting your information from but Krug is averaging 1 second more than Grzelcyk TOI and he is borderline 4th on the team in TOI. Below are Grzleyck's advanced stats and where he ranks on the Bruins defense:

MATT GRZELCYK 5v5 Stats:

CF = 52.05% 4th
GF = 29 1st
GA = 22 5th
GF/60 = 2.32 2nd
GA/60 = 1.76 3rd
oiSV% = .940 3-Way Tie for 2nd

His skating is elite and his hockey IQ is not far behind. He thinks the game at a high level. He is a top 4 defenseman in the league. He is easily better than Kevan Miller. Watch them play. The only thing Miller has on Grzelcyk is physicality. Everything else goes to Grzelcyk.

Also, Kevan Miller has 2 fights on the season. That's 10 minutes total missed. Lets not act like he's dropping the mitts every game.

I don't like any of these deals.

If Grzelcyk is worth a 2nd rounder (which could be considered fair) It's from one of the worst teams in the league. (Pick 32-37) You're getting a pick from a possible WCF or SCF team which would be in the area of 55-60 or later. The difference between those picks is more than a 5th rounder and that would be if it made sense to do the deal in the first place which it doesn't. If Grzelcyk is moved it's in a package for an impact forward to play in the top 6, not for futures.

Toi per game. Not complicated. Go to hockey ref. You can sort. There are a few other sites with great advanced stats as well. The others have all missed (substantial) time due to injury. With the exception of Moore. It is between moore and grz. Miller will not sit as a healthy scratch. As for moving him for a top 6... i covered that with schenn. This team is better than they currently are. They also protect grz to a certain extent. He is not playing against top pairings as much as others.

You also left out playoffs last year, which is what we are really talking about. To be honest I would rather they move krug, but I dont see that happening. I made the deal for cap reasons. If krug is moved that deal obviously wouldnt need to happen.

You are acting like I am saying he isnt good. He is. A 2nd pick is nice.

I would not do the grz deal by itself, but currently and unless the move krug he is going to be their 3rd or 4th LD. They also have vaakanainen and Lauzon coming up who should be your 1 & 2 Ld in a couple years.

Lol okay. I just showed you how your stats were wrong. We're talking about this season. I don't care how he was used last year in the playoffs. He was a rookie. A 2nd round pick for Grzelcyk is not "nice" when he has a lot more value in a trade. He has more value than a 2nd round pick.