Yes, Army wants a lot, but when he comes at me like 20 bizillion times insulting me for no reason because he is mad I won't accept what he believes is a fair deal. Well Army is going to want way more. He is trying to explain the fairness of the trade, well okay but that doesn't matter Army won't take that as the GM it's the same with Toronto. It just won't happen. Whatsoever.

I am not going to even talk to him. He is a negative person in life. I don't with his way of debating, but he isn't debating he is trying to force his opinion on me and it's not going to help him get his point across I have tried that before me saying no doesn't change his debate changing my mind. It's Still a no either way and its going to be the same from Armstrong whether he likes it or not. I quite frankly don't care what he says I am not reading the 3 messages he sent me. He can go die in hell I wouldn't give 2 F's. His pride is hurt well so be it, but realistically STL says no without Heinen Vaak and a 1st in the deal. Whether you like it or not.

Lmfao.... You started all this personal BS first. I asked simple questions and you refused to answer. Then you tried to call me a kid, when the only kid here is you. Pot meet kettle, yada yada yada, here we are. Don't try and play the victim. "He comes at me like 20 bizillion times". Woof! with that nonsense. I'm not mad. I don't care what you believe is a fair/unfair deal. You shouldn't even be involved with discussions on it since you don't know what is fair/unfair. You don't know the players involved. You're just rambling.

Grzelcyk = Top 4 defenseman
Heinen = Top 9 forward
2nd Round pick

These pieces for Brayden Schenn would be a fair package.

Triggered! lmfao

And Heinen + Vaakanainen + 1st... Overpayment as ****. @ngikas here is the problem with this boob. He thinks that STL is going to get similar value to what they gave up for Schenn when there is a good chance they don't. As he stated before, he thinks trading is profit based. He's in for a rude awakening when Schenn is moved for much less than he expects, or walks for nothing in 1.5 years.

Like I don't know much on Schenn except that he had a career year last year and STL bought high. They tried to go for the home run bringing in Schenn before last year and now ROR before this year and it hasn't worked out. You know how it is tho, no fan wants to "lose" on a trade and unless both teams are making a hockey trade theres most likely going to be a loser. Who knows giving up Heinen, Grizz/Lauzon could be a horrible trade 3 years from now. But on paper I think my original post and your offer are probably about on point.

oh buddy...c'mon. take a look at your posts in this thread. you're coming off really unnecessarily combative. It makes you kind of look....i don't know...desperate i guess, but you have no reason to be. It seems to most here that you over value a player on your team. Pretty common. Part of that might be that you see him more than we do. Part of it might be fandom. It's normal and okay. Having said that, everyone else sees the guy that has pretty much been a 50 point player his entire career, and you're seeing nothing but the one year where he was white hot for a month or two and had 70 points. Why should other teams think that way? Doesn't make much sense to do so does it.

Then you go on these diatribes about people pulling stuff out of their ass, or stealing him, or blah blah blah. C'mon. There are posts to do that on. I think I saw one with the bruins of a crappy prospect and a 2nd round pick. Ya, go ahead and say that's a joke. It is. But here it just seems like you're unwilling to look at anything unless it's exactly what you want (which, incidentally, is just way too much for the kind of player the blues would be giving up) to the point where I think you just ignore any prospect that isn't exactly the guy you want. You say you want speed and ability on defense? uhhhh, that's literally what this trade is giving you. a 6 foot 1, 200+ pound 21 year old who was a pretty high draft pick that had a point per game season in junior, that made a world junior team for canada and scored 2 goals in 7 games from the blue line, that's gotten NHL experience this year, and not only looked darn good, but was tough as nails in the process. You make it out like this proposal offered up a 26 year old 7th round pick that never has a hope of playing in the NHL. This ACGM represents a very, very reasonable offer that some would view as an overpay. Yet you belittle it seemingly without giving the players involved a cursory glance on hockeydb, all while trying to curse people out.

I don't think anyone would have taken issue beyond disagreeing with you saying, "I think that the Blues should get more for him." Your stance is obtuse.