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Créé par: BluesGetTheCup
Équipe: 2018-19 Blues de St-Louis
Date de création initiale: 26 nov. 2018
Publié: 26 nov. 2018
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
Obviously a reliably healthy Schwartz gets you a lot more. However, when he's only good for 55-70 games a year then I think his value is around here. Steen trade I like to get a semi-reliable LD and a D prospect.
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BOS
  1. Steen, Alexander (2 000 000 $ retained)
  2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2020 (STL)
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  1. Ferland, Micheal
  2. Pesce, Brett
  3. Choix de 2e ronde en 2019 (CAR)
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26 nov. 2018 à 9 h 50
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No chance hurricanes accept
26 nov. 2018 à 10 h 11
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I think you missed Kyrou or a many many picks in that Canes trade...........
26 nov. 2018 à 10 h 17
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I think you missed Kyrou or a many many picks in that Canes trade...........


Good we don't want to trade Schwartz, and you guys overrate every player in Carolina.
26 nov. 2018 à 10 h 29
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Good we don't want to trade Schwartz, and you guys overrate every player in Carolina.


No, I just know Pesce is a top 4 D man, Ferland has 11 goals and Schwartz is sh^te, let alone the extra pick you want
26 nov. 2018 à 10 h 30
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No, I just know Pesce is a top 4 D man, Ferland has 11 goals and Schwartz is sh^te, let alone the extra pick you want


Hmm. Not sure where you are getting that from. You are overrating your players. More you undervalue Schwartz.
26 nov. 2018 à 10 h 59
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Hmm. Not sure where you are getting that from. You are overrating your players. More you undervalue Schwartz.


Pesce is one of the best shut down RD men in the league, Ferland is on pace for 40 goals, Schwartz has been really bad..... need more stats?
26 nov. 2018 à 11 h 0
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Pesce is one of the best shut down RD men in the league, Ferland is on pace for 40 goals, Schwartz has been really bad..... need more stats?


Again overrating Pesce and Ferland. Schwartz is doing just fine. NO need in being biased as a Canes fan.
26 nov. 2018 à 11 h 4
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Quoting: Caniac2000
No, I just know Pesce is a top 4 D man, Ferland has 11 goals and Schwartz is sh^te, let alone the extra pick you want


Schwartz was on pace to win the Hart trophy before his injury last year. The Blues are 1-6 without him this year. He’s our MVP and he’s not getting traded.
26 nov. 2018 à 11 h 6
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You don’t trade Schwartz before Pietrangelo, you just don’t. I’m a firm believer that this team won’t win until the old core is totally gone. Steen and Pientrangelo are the last two left.
26 nov. 2018 à 11 h 6
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Schwartz was on pace to win the Hart trophy before his injury last year. The Blues are 1-6 without him this year. He’s our MVP and he’s not getting traded.


Thats because the blues are bad, 1-6 without him means theyre like 2-3-1 with him or something, they've been bad regardless Carolina reject in a heartbeat
26 nov. 2018 à 11 h 6
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Thats because the blues are bad, 1-6 without him means theyre like 2-3-1 with him or something, they've been bad regardless Carolina reject in a heartbeat


Maybe they reject, but they’re dumb if they do
26 nov. 2018 à 11 h 7
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Again overrating Pesce and Ferland. Schwartz is doing just fine. NO need in being biased as a Canes fan.


Lol okay kid, ignore the fact Ferland is on pace for 40 goals why don't ya. Pesce is still a top 4 D man on the leagues deepest blue line
26 nov. 2018 à 11 h 7
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Quoting: STLBlues17
Maybe they reject, but they’re dumb if they do


How? Ferland + Pesce >>>>>>>>> Schwartz
26 nov. 2018 à 11 h 8
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Lol okay kid, ignore the fact Ferland is on pace for 40 goals why don't ya. Pesce is still a top 4 D man on the leagues deepest blue line


Ferland being on pace and being a 40 goal scorer in previous seasons are 2 completely different thing little mans.
26 nov. 2018 à 11 h 10
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How? Ferland + Pesce >>>>>>>>> Schwartz


You are really dumb. Ferland won't hit 40 Goals. Schwartz averages 60 Points a season that's without a full season. He was on pace for 80 points. So You are out of line buddy.
26 nov. 2018 à 11 h 10
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How? Ferland + Pesce >>>>>>>>> Schwartz


You don’t know how good Schwartz is
26 nov. 2018 à 11 h 15
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Quoting: Caniac2000
Lol okay kid, ignore the fact Ferland is on pace for 40 goals why don't ya. Pesce is still a top 4 D man on the leagues deepest blue line


That's not how anything works. Ferland is solid and probably scores like 25-30 goals this year. But his history is a 15-20 goal scorer and like 40 points or so? Schwartz is a 60 point minimum player with a ceiling of 80 or so. Pesce is really solid definitely. But he's playing third pairing right now right? Or has Faulk been third pairing? Y'all have the worst shooting team in the entire league. Y'all need finishers and play makers on offense. Which you don't have. Sure, the Blues might throw in a prospect with Schwartz or someone like Schmaltz or Barbashev. However, Schwartz would be your 2nd best forward.
26 nov. 2018 à 11 h 25
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You are really dumb. Ferland won't hit 40 Goals. Schwartz averages 60 Points a season that's without a full season. He was on pace for 80 points. So You are out of line buddy.


Ferland is on pace to hit 40 goals, thats more valuble to Carolina then an injury prone middle sixer
26 nov. 2018 à 11 h 27
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That's not how anything works. Ferland is solid and probably scores like 25-30 goals this year. But his history is a 15-20 goal scorer and like 40 points or so? Schwartz is a 60 point minimum player with a ceiling of 80 or so. Pesce is really solid definitely. But he's playing third pairing right now right? Or has Faulk been third pairing? Y'all have the worst shooting team in the entire league. Y'all need finishers and play makers on offense. Which you don't have. Sure, the Blues might throw in a prospect with Schwartz or someone like Schmaltz or Barbashev. However, Schwartz would be your 2nd best forward.


A sane blues fan thank you. I get the basis but no. Why would you target Carolina's top goalscorer when they're struggling to score? That's what I'm trying to say here. Pesce - Fleury/TvR Faulk and Dehaan have played about equal time, Slavin and Hamilton have been the big pairing so far. Schwartz is often injured and thats not worth trading Ferland and Pesce for
26 nov. 2018 à 11 h 49
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Quoting: Caniac2000
A sane blues fan thank you. I get the basis but no. Why would you target Carolina's top goalscorer when they're struggling to score? That's what I'm trying to say here. Pesce - Fleury/TvR Faulk and Dehaan have played about equal time, Slavin and Hamilton have been the big pairing so far. Schwartz is often injured and thats not worth trading Ferland and Pesce for


Ferland isn't going to be that good though. He'll be a solid top 6 guy for sure, but he won't score 40 goals lol. He had 7 goals and 11 points in his first 12 games and now has 4 goals and 4 points total in his last 11. He'll put up 20-25, whereas Schwartz 1) fits the Canes system so perfectly, 2) is a true talent 30 goal scorer and 3) Pesce is good, but at best he's your 2nd best RD and possibly 3rd best and doesn't contribute to PP. It wouldn't happen, but it makes sense imo. Calling Schwartz an injured middle 6 winger though is pretty laughable. He's a bonafide top winger. Probably top 25 winger in the league when healthy.
26 nov. 2018 à 12 h 17
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Ferland is on pace to hit 40 goals, thats more valuble to Carolina then an injury prone middle sixer


Middle Sixer that's funny. Your loss. I need a sane Canes fan if there are anyone else. Not a sane Canes I have talked to in here yet.
26 nov. 2018 à 13 h 24
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Ferland isn't going to be that good though. He'll be a solid top 6 guy for sure, but he won't score 40 goals lol. He had 7 goals and 11 points in his first 12 games and now has 4 goals and 4 points total in his last 11. He'll put up 20-25, whereas Schwartz 1) fits the Canes system so perfectly, 2) is a true talent 30 goal scorer and 3) Pesce is good, but at best he's your 2nd best RD and possibly 3rd best and doesn't contribute to PP. It wouldn't happen, but it makes sense imo. Calling Schwartz an injured middle 6 winger though is pretty laughable. He's a bonafide top winger. Probably top 25 winger in the league when healthy.


Thats laughable, the dude does things at a rate more unsustainable then wild bill.... Pesce is the best RD Carolina have, bar none. He's better then Dougie and he's better then Faulk. He's a solidified top pairing D man. Ferland is having a breakthrough season and saying he won't get more then 25 is worse. Your saying he won't get 14 goals over the last 60 (give or take) games. Even if he's had 4 out of his last 11, that's still 20 more roughly. This doesn't make sense from a canes standpoint. Again, that you for being sane, that makes one so far <3
26 nov. 2018 à 14 h 20
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I can’t believe these blues fans on hearing thinking this is a fair trade. Schwartz is good but you guys are giving him too much credit. You guys realize people propose Pesce and Ferland for Nylander. Nylander is way more valuable than Schwartz. Schwartz can never stay healthy which is a problem.
 
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