I am not sure either team likes that deal. St Louis could do better from other teams with a shorter window of contention and TO can likely get a longer term solution than Pietrangelo.

Pietrangelo+? I know he's older but that's a lot to give up.

I agree. This post was mainly to see if the value of this trade is accurate. Would a trade of Pietrangelo to Tampa for TJ, retained Callahan, and Cernak work?

Way better than giving up Parayko. Parayko is younger, cheaper, and better than Alex.

I would 100% agree. Leafs are specifically targetting young defensemen with control, and/or a long-term cap-friendly contract. That's why someone like Josh Manson makes sense, both from a playing perspective and from a financial perspective. They are hard to find, which is why a lot of the same names are constantly getting tossed around. I'd like to the see the Leafs play hardball and let Nylander sit. They can trade him at the draft and, depending where lottery teams fall, maybe he gets them a high 2019 1st plus something else.

I'll let Tampa fans make that judgement but they are a team that makes more sense, they have serious cap issues coming up and their window looks a lot shorter than TO so bringing in a huge upgrade on the blueline for the next year and a half makes more sense for them to go all in on than TO who should have an 6-8 year window.

Manson isn't a young controllable defenceman. He's a in his second half of his prime defensive defenceman on a fair contract. That is not the same thing as a young up and coming guy. Which doesn't mean I think Manson is bad, he is a very good defenceman but he's 27 and he's not going to progress much beyond what he already is.

I think you missed my point. But 27 years old on a good contract with term makes Manson appealing, at least to me. Leafs are not making any deals for defenders considering where they sit in the standings. Why mess with what is working at the moment. This would obviously be different if they continuously lost games, but they are playing quite well.

I agree. Their current play gives them all the negotiating power in any trade scenario. They look like they don't need Nylander but that doesn't hurt his value or their negotiating power at all. They are 3rd in the league and 1 point out of first. If you want Nylander, you are going to have to pay a premium or he'll either resign or sit. A team like Carolina on the other hand, will be coming to the table from a position of weakness. Yes they have lots of assets but they are so far a disappointment this season and look like they'll be on the outside looking in again. So they have the pressure to make a trade, giving TO even more negotiating power.

In regards to Manson, Anahiem has been decimated by injuries, they won't make any moves until they are healthy.

Yeah I know. Lindholm just went down with injury I think on Saturday. I'd like to see a Leafs-Flyers deal, only because the Flyers have some intriguing young players and, depending how desperate Ron Hextall is, maybe the Leafs could acquire a couple

They are a potential trading partner but I think they are a lot closer to being a contender than Carolina. Really if they can get a goalie to be half decent, they could win the Metro which is a lot weaker this year than many expected. At the same time that could lessen their appetite to make a move since they are not that far out of it. Of all the teams in the NHL which would be most depserate to trade for Nylander, it should be Carolina.

I just don't see Canes giving up the parts of what it would take to get him.

As I have said countless times on here, I don't think so either which is why I say sign Nylander and then get Matthews and Marner inked as well.

60 point wingers are alot more common than legit #1 defensemen who are also RHD.

Nylander is not worth a top 10 defenseman in the entire league. This crap has to stop

I agree with LoganOllivier in that Carolina should really push to get Nylander. But what most people forget or don't know is that when they traded Dougie Hamilton they also acquired the rights to Adam Fox. He is a 20 year old RHD in Harvard who is putting up over two PPG in the NCAA. He'll need a roster spot in the future on the first or second line, and that makes Pesce expendable. In the long term it really won't hurt Carolina to give up Pesce and a few other pieces. They already have Necas, Kuokkanen, Gauthier, Maenalanen, Geekie, Roy, and even Pu as solid forward prospects. They can easily afford to give up Foegele and a pick.

Unless you are also giving up a fairly sizeable assets in picks or other players, Pesce won't be missed at all. Pesce isn't the second coming of Scott Stevens, he's a smooth skating defensive defenseman. Those aren't exactly elite players.

Top ten? Currently it's more like top thirty since Parayko took over his job. And Nylander could crack the top 30 wingers if he had the seventh highest scoring center in the league to play with in O'Reilly.

I have no issues with trading Pietrangelo, but Schwartz for Bobrovsky is absolutely awful

Pietrangelo not Parayko