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2nd Legit Nylander Trade

Créé par: budsallday
Équipe: 2018-19 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Date de création initiale: 15 oct. 2018
Publié: 15 oct. 2018
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Transactions
ANA
  1. Gardiner, Jake
  2. Gauthier, Frédérik
Détails additionnels:
Rights to William Nylander
Rachats de contrats
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
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925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
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675 000 $675 000 $
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3 000 000 $3 000 000 $
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UFA - 1
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15 oct. 2018 à 10 h 19
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There you go! You've got it now! It took 3 tries but you've got...it...

...Oh, wait...

Anaheim goes over the cap, lose Gardiner because they can't afford to re-sign him, lose Silfverberg because they can't afford to sign him, end up having to use picks or prospects to dump another salary BECAUSE THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO KEEP THEM. All to get an (very good) overpaid winger.

Willy Nylander is very good. There's no denying it. But he's not Taylor Hall. He's not in that upper echelon of wingers (the Kane's, Laine's, Panerin's), that are franchise players and are worth the best defenseman on a team. Similar to your Jones and Parayko moves. Does the value even out somewhat? Somewhat, but it doesn't make sense for Columbus to move Jones for a year of Gardiner and for the opportunity to overpay Nylander. Nor does it make sense for STL to move a great contract/player in Parayko for the same value.

I'm sorry to all Leaf fans out there that are looking for a steal of a deal, but it just doesn't work out. You're going to have to go out and overpay big time for a team to move someone like these guys.
15 oct. 2018 à 10 h 57
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i agree, and i am a leafs fan, he has not proven that he belongs in the same category as those wingers, and that is why we havent signed him for the 8 mill he wants...he just isnt worth that for putting up 60 points. and not a lot of teams are going to want gardiner, unless it is at the deadline and it will give them that extra push (but doubtful imo) and the fact that columbus still has to re-sign bob and bread-man is difficult alone, i dont think they would seek out another player wanting to get paid. im sure there is a trade out there that might work but the columbus one imo would be turned down immediately, as for the anaheim trade, i dont think toronto is going to look for a LHD i think if they are trading to get a D-man they would be targeting a right hand man, but maybe they wait until free agency, let gardiner walk and try and scoop tyler meyers if he makes it to FA...
15 oct. 2018 à 11 h 15
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Quoting: Lenny7
There you go! You've got it now! It took 3 tries but you've got...it...

...Oh, wait...

Anaheim goes over the cap, lose Gardiner because they can't afford to re-sign him, lose Silfverberg because they can't afford to sign him, end up having to use picks or prospects to dump another salary BECAUSE THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO KEEP THEM. All to get an (very good) overpaid winger.

Willy Nylander is very good. There's no denying it. But he's not Taylor Hall. He's not in that upper echelon of wingers (the Kane's, Laine's, Panerin's), that are franchise players and are worth the best defenseman on a team. Similar to your Jones and Parayko moves. Does the value even out somewhat? Somewhat, but it doesn't make sense for Columbus to move Jones for a year of Gardiner and for the opportunity to overpay Nylander. Nor does it make sense for STL to move a great contract/player in Parayko for the same value.

I'm sorry to all Leaf fans out there that are looking for a steal of a deal, but it just doesn't work out. You're going to have to go out and overpay big time for a team to move someone like these guys.


According to advance stats, Nylander is a top 10 right winger in the entire league, so he is absolutely in the upper echelon of wingers. That being said you are right this trade doesn't work.
15 oct. 2018 à 11 h 30
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According to advance stats, Nylander is a top 10 right winger in the entire league, so he is absolutely in the upper echelon of wingers. That being said you are right this trade doesn't work.


according to advanced stats josh Bailey made Tavares better last year but ya know
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15 oct. 2018 à 11 h 34
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Zero chance ANA would do that deal. Only dman I could see them making available would be Montour.
15 oct. 2018 à 12 h 49
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Quoting: LoganOllivier
According to advance stats, Nylander is a top 10 right winger in the entire league, so he is absolutely in the upper echelon of wingers. That being said you are right this trade doesn't work.


You don't think he's a top ten rw do you?
15 oct. 2018 à 13 h 56
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You don't think he's a top ten rw do you?


I do, and I understand that I have a bias, he is my favourite player. But I will say he is getting nothing but disrespect league wide. He's created offense at 5v5 at an elite level over the past two years. He's a terrific player and he's 22. But like everything in this league, once you get a reputation, nothing else really matters. Some idiot media person said he's overrated and now the internet knows with 100% certainty that Nylander is just okay and all that he has actually done means nothing. For crying out loud compare his age 21 season to Kucherov and tell me that Nylander doesn't have enormous potential.
15 oct. 2018 à 14 h 8
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I do, and I understand that I have a bias, he is my favourite player. But I will say he is getting nothing but disrespect league wide. He's created offense at 5v5 at an elite level over the past two years. He's a terrific player and he's 22. But like everything in this league, once you get a reputation, nothing else really matters. Some idiot media person said he's overrated and now the internet knows with 100% certainty that Nylander is just okay and all that he has actually done means nothing. For crying out loud compare his age 21 season to Kucherov and tell me that Nylander doesn't have enormous potential.


15 even strength goals isn’t elite
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15 oct. 2018 à 14 h 17
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15 even strength goals isn’t elite


He's a playmaker and had a stretch of 20 games where he just couldn't buy a goal. If you look at his entire season and dig deep into his stats, he should have scored 30 goals and recorded 70 points if not for a string of really bad luck when nothing went in despite a tonne of high danger scoring chances. He's not less than Marner, Marner got all the PP time and that is why he was the top point getter for the Leafs.
15 oct. 2018 à 14 h 45
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He's a playmaker and had a stretch of 20 games where he just couldn't buy a goal. If you look at his entire season and dig deep into his stats, he should have scored 30 goals and recorded 70 points if not for a string of really bad luck when nothing went in despite a tonne of high danger scoring chances. He's not less than Marner, Marner got all the PP time and that is why he was the top point getter for the Leafs.


Was there a string of bad luck the year before where he only had 13 even strength goals?

He’s not elite
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15 oct. 2018 à 15 h 6
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Was there a string of bad luck the year before where he only had 13 even strength goals?

He’s not elite


He's a play maker. Play makers, can't be elite?
15 oct. 2018 à 15 h 33
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He's a play maker. Play makers, can't be elite?


.3 even strength assists per game is not elite.
15 oct. 2018 à 15 h 37
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Quoting: LoganOllivier
I do, and I understand that I have a bias, he is my favourite player. But I will say he is getting nothing but disrespect league wide. He's created offense at 5v5 at an elite level over the past two years. He's a terrific player and he's 22. But like everything in this league, once you get a reputation, nothing else really matters. Some idiot media person said he's overrated and now the internet knows with 100% certainty that Nylander is just okay and all that he has actually done means nothing. For crying out loud compare his age 21 season to Kucherov and tell me that Nylander doesn't have enormous potential.


POTENTIAL and being top 10 RIGHT NOW are two different things
15 oct. 2018 à 15 h 38
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.3 even strength assists per game is not elite.


Say what you will but he's a dynamite player, not an overrated depth player.
15 oct. 2018 à 15 h 39
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POTENTIAL and being top 10 RIGHT NOW are two different things


https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/definitive-ranking-nhls-top-20-right-wingers-three-seasons/

According to this stats based assessment that uses the same information to rate each player, he is the 9th best RW over the past 3 seasons in the entire NHL.
15 oct. 2018 à 15 h 42
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https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/definitive-ranking-nhls-top-20-right-wingers-three-seasons/

According to this stats based assessment that uses the same information to rate each player, he is the 9th best RW over the past 3 seasons in the entire NHL.


advanced stats are for those incapable of understanding the game.
15 oct. 2018 à 15 h 43
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advanced stats are for those incapable of understanding the game.


Do you play hockey?
15 oct. 2018 à 15 h 43
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Do you play hockey?


yes
15 oct. 2018 à 15 h 49
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yes


So advance stats are only for people who don't understand hockey. Are you Brian Burke? Not sure if you know who that is but he's a guy who goes to analytics conferences to insult analytics, he's also a terrible GM that is as old school as they come. I am beginning to understand why you are so stubborn and often just negative on here. You still think its 1995.
15 oct. 2018 à 15 h 56
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Quoting: LoganOllivier
So advance stats are only for people who don't understand hockey. Are you Brian Burke? Not sure if you know who that is but he's a guy who goes to analytics conferences to insult analytics, he's also a terrible GM that is as old school as they come. I am beginning to understand why you are so stubborn and often just negative on here. You still think its 1995.


i was 6 in 1995. Until analytics lead to cups, I'm going to call them for what they are, an outside theory that tries to break down the most subjective sport to numbers. It doesn't work.
15 oct. 2018 à 16 h 25
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i was 6 in 1995. Until analytics lead to cups, I'm going to call them for what they are, an outside theory that tries to break down the most subjective sport to numbers. It doesn't work.


You do understand that pretty much every team in the NHL has an entire department committed to advance stats.
15 oct. 2018 à 17 h 5
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You do understand that pretty much every team in the NHL has an entire department committed to advance stats.


I do understand that. It’s a secondary function. The only one that goes by it is Arizona
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