the usual overrating of max in a trade. chances of lucic waiving to montreal is about zero. at least the habs are using their former first rounder macarron

Alzner has a NMC and a silly as it is he went to Montreal to win, there is no way he is going from one losing team to another.

THere's a major difference between NMCs and NTCs. One means mostly that a player can't be MOVED up and down within the organization, as well as having some limits over trade. The other means the player submits a list that is periodically updated that limits whether they can be included in a TRADE discussion with certain teams.

In Alzner's case, he has a 7-team list to which he can veto a trade. Perhaps Ottawa is one of those but we have no reason to assume it is. Also, quite often, players simply waive the NTC (for a small bonus) because they generally want to move as much as the team moving them needs them to go.

He as NTC not NMC nonetheless that’s not going to change nothing or help him on a buyout!!!

I think if you look at his terms, Lucic has an NMC that kicks in only in 2021. Also, I suspect Lucic might think quite fondly of playing for Claude Julien again.

To be honest, I thought he had a full NMC clause now I see its a M-NTC. I just feel like with the toxic environment and him stating he came to Montreal to win, that he wouldn't want to go to a sinking ship. But I guess who knows really?

Max as a value more then you think! Lucic you’l love to play in MTL former coach Julien and with is best Buddy Gallagher!!!

I'm not saying this about Alzner at all, but there are a great many players -- more than you'd think -- who are quite happy to have a job that pays them a few million bucks for 7 months work and is sure to have them back on the golf course by April. Ottawa would be a dream destination for players that just don't give a ****.

Ottawa is a great destination ther’s A lot of golf course, lakes for boating…

Yup. Carolina is nicer, though.

Imagine no winters they can play year round!!!

I guess my thought process is, if he wanted that he could have just stayed in Washington (if they could afford them) but he, not other players, he went to Montreal for the soul purpose to win. He stated that in is first interview with the Habs.

Back to business, if the Habs work it that they are the team that re-signs Pacioretty (5 x $7.5M or something) and then trades him to the Ducks while holding back 50% of the cap, that Anaheim deal would be a good one. Habs should ask for the 2020 1st pick.

The Alzner deal makes sense if both teams are planning to use their cap space at the deadline to move Ryan and Alzner. Long term, these guys aren't part of either team's future.

The Benn/Lucic trade is intriguing. I think the Habs would be better to either take a current prospect from the Oilers (Yamamoto) or push that pick out to 2023 or so. Habs cupboard is getting back to a level where they'd be better smoothing out the prospect supply line.

Well I suspect we've all said things in job interviews that we didn't entirely mean. I am sure Alzner meant that he wants to help the Habs win. And, contrary to what many think, the Habs are not as sorry as the Leafs fans would like to believe. I am very much looking forward to the day Weber shows us what he's like when his knee and ankle are both healthy (that knee injury he was playing through was 3 years old). Max Pacioretty goes into this season with something to prove ... and will. I am a believer that Domi will be a step up on Galchenyuk, who is on his way to drinking himself out of the league (think Derek Sanderson skills and head). If Mete, Reilly and Juulsen can be better than rookies, and Carey Price returns to form as one of the top 5 or 10 goalies in the league, this won't be a bad year.

I really think the Habs are a few SMART and SIMPLE moves away from being a wild car team. The issue is management. Miss managing of assets, miss managing of prospects. The Habs don't need to rebuild this team, they need to rebuild that head office. I think if they brought in a no bullshit vet to really lock down that locker room this is a completely different team. Im think if they can talk Jumbo Joe to sign a one year 3mill contract, someone with so much respect that the kids can go, "man, thats a pro, I need to be like him". Then this team is completely different. Honestly, I am sad to see what is happening in Van, in Ott, in Mon, even Calgary/Edmonton. I want Canadian teams to compete I want them to be the best. I want people to dread the Canadian swing like teams use to dread the Cali swing. I want teams to cross our border and think, "aw f*ck, this is going to be a rough couple days". I want to see an all Canadian final. And honestly, thank God for the Leafs and Jets, because without them this was going to be another boring year in Hockey.

In summation, I really hope the Habs aren't as bad as everyone thinks. I have my fingers crossed for CAL and EDM too.

False. As you mentioned NMC the player can't be moved to the minors, traded, loaned, waived, etc without their permission. It does not protect them from buyouts however. A NTC only protects the player from being traded without their permission. Your example of a NTC is a MODIFIED NTC in which there are certain protections for the player, i.e. list of 7 teams they can't be traded to.

No one wants Bobby Ryan

Not sure how that's false. It's essentially what I said except you've added in a discussion about buyouts. I probably should have reversed things to say there are NTCs and then there are NMCs, which sometimes include NTC provisions, but are most often intended to simply keep players from getting the Wade Redden treatment.

It is a bad contract but the Habs can take him and then decide what to do. keep him, trade and retain 50% salary, Waivers, Buyout…

If the Ducks trade came first and the Habs actually got Larsson then maybe. I'd rather have Ottawas 1st and give away more than Alzner.

Your definition of a NTC is a modified NTC