3 way deal... does it work? OTT TOR

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Créé par: TotheNorth

Équipe: 2018-19 Jets de Winnipeg

Date de création initiale: 15 août 2018

Publié: 15 août 2018

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

Description

Like the Hoffman deal, OTT doesn't want to trade Karlsson within the division so they work out a deal where Winnipeg trades Trouba to TOR for Kapanen Nielsen and a 1st, which is then flipped to OTT + Dano and a WPG 2nd for Karlsson.

OTT comes out looking like winners as they get a decent package for the rental of Karlsson, WPG moves on from Trouba and goes all in to win this season with Karlsson. They'll attempt to re-sign him but likely won't be able to. It's a big risk but you're getting arguably the best D in the league for the year to add to one of the most potent offenses in the league.

TOR also gets the top pairing RHD at 24 years old they're looking for to compete for the next two years. They'll also use Matthews to try and convince Trouba to stay long term in TO.

Signatures de joueurs autonomes

RFA		ANS	CAP HIT
Morrissey, Joshua		6	5 000 000 $

UFA		ANS	CAP HIT
Vesalainen, Kristian		3	925 000 $

Transactions

WPG

Kapanen, Kasperi
Nielsen, Andrew
Choix de 1e ronde en 2019 (TOR)

TOR

Trouba, Jacob

WPG

OTT

Dano, Marko
Kapanen, Kasperi
Nielsen, Andrew
Choix de 1e ronde en 2019 (TOR)
Choix de 2e ronde en 2019 (WPG)

WPG

Karlsson, Erik (500 000 $ retained)

OTT

Rachats de contrats

Mark Stuart: 583 333 $

Enfoui

Ben Chiarot: 375 000 $ (1 400 000 $)

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FORMATION

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INTÉGRÉ

TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
23	79 500 000 $	75 350 000 $	0 $	3 912 500 $	4 150 000 $

Formation

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Connor, Kyle 925 000 $925 000 $ (850 000 $$850K) AG UFA - 1	Scheifele, Mark 6 125 000 $6 125 000 $ C UFA - 6	Wheeler, Blake 5 600 000 $5 600 000 $ AD M-NTC UFA - 1
Ehlers, Nikolaj 6 000 000 $6 000 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 7	Roslovic, Jack 894 166 $894 166 $ (212 500 $$212K) C, AD UFA - 2	Laine, Patrik 925 000 $925 000 $ (2 650 000 $$3M) C, AD, AG UFA - 1
Perreault, Mathieu 4 125 000 $4 125 000 $ AG, AD, C M-NTC UFA - 3	Little, Bryan 5 291 667 $5 291 667 $ C, AD NMC UFA - 6	Vesalainen, Kristian 925 000 $925 000 $
Copp, Andrew 1 000 000 $1 000 000 $ C, AG, AD UFA - 1	Lowry, Adam 2 916 667 $2 916 667 $ C UFA - 3	Tanev, Brandon 1 150 000 $1 150 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1
Lemieux, Brendan 839 167 $839 167 $ (200 000 $$200K) AG, AD UFA - 1		Griffith, Seth 650 000 $650 000 $ AD, C UFA - 1

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Morrissey, Joshua 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ DG UFA - 2	Karlsson, Erik 6 000 000 $6 000 000 $ DD M-NTC UFA - 1	Hellebuyck, Connor 6 166 667 $6 166 667 $ G UFA - 6
Poolman, Tucker 775 000 $775 000 $ DD UFA - 3	Byfuglien, Dustin 7 600 000 $7 600 000 $ DD M-NTC UFA - 3	Brossoit, Laurent 650 000 $650 000 $ G UFA - 1
Kulikov, Dmitry 4 333 333 $4 333 333 $ DG/DD M-NTC UFA - 2	Myers, Tyler 5 500 000 $5 500 000 $ DD UFA - 1
	Morrow, Joe 1 000 000 $1 000 000 $ DD UFA - 1

Unités spéciales

Avantage numérique 1
Connor, K.		Scheifele, M.		Wheeler, B.
	Laine, P.		Karlsson, E.

Avantage numérique 2
Ehlers, N.		Roslovic, J.		Vesalainen, K.
	Morrissey, J.		Byfuglien, D.

Infériorité numérique 1
	Lowry, A.	Copp, A.
	Kulikov, D.	Myers, T.

Infériorité numérique 2
	Scheifele, M.	Wheeler, B.
	Poolman, T.	Byfuglien, D.

15 août 2018 à 10 h 44

PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood

Banni

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Can it be Brown instead of Kapanen? Or maybe Johnsson?

15 août 2018 à 10 h 44

csick

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Personally, I don't think Ottawa would bite at this package while helping Toronto get better. If Ottawa was getting Trouba + Lowry/Stanley + 1st, theyd rather get that tbh

15 août 2018 à 11 h 46

palhal

LongtimeLeafsufferer

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Quoting: csick

Personally, I don't think Ottawa would bite at this package while helping Toronto get better. If Ottawa was getting Trouba + Lowry/Stanley + 1st, theyd rather get that tbh

It's not like the Ottawa would be in competition for the Leafs for the next two years (Trouba's stay with the Leafs) for a playoff spot. IMO Ottawa can get a better return elsewhere though
What's all these Neilsen trades?

15 août 2018 à 11 h 51

TotheNorth

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the great

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Quoting: palhal

rumors based on him changing his instagram affiliation away from TOR and liking ANH

15 août 2018 à 11 h 56

palhal

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Quoting: TotheNorth

rumors based on him changing his instagram affiliation away from TOR and liking ANH

Thanks for the info. He's strictly minor league. I wish him the best in his quest to be an NHLer, but just saying, let's not fool ourselves thinking he has value in an NHL trade.

15 août 2018 à 12 h 4

TotheNorth

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the great

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Quoting: palhal

Thanks for the info. He's strictly minor league. I wish him the best in his quest to be an NHLer, but just saying, let's not fool ourselves thinking he has value in an NHL trade.

No the speculation is he's a piece to a bigger puzzle

15 août 2018 à 12 h 28

DJSums17

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Quoting: palhal

Thanks for the info. He's strictly minor league. I wish him the best in his quest to be an NHLer, but just saying, let's not fool ourselves thinking he has value in an NHL trade.

He's a good prospect how does he not have value?? Only reason he's not here is because of how stacked in LHD depth the Leafs have. Maybe not a top 4 guy but he's got potential to be a top 6 D.

15 août 2018 à 13 h 8

palhal

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Quoting: DJSums17

He's a good prospect how does he not have value?? Only reason he's not here is because of how stacked in LHD depth the Leafs have. Maybe not a top 4 guy but he's got potential to be a top 6 D.

He was benched on many Marlies playoff games. Just on the Marlies he has been passed by Rosen, Borgman, Liljegren and Sandin and Durzi are eligible to be Marlies. Add vets Marincin and LaVorde, and newbie Lindgren, where is there spot for him? After last year I just don't think he's real NHL prospect.

15 août 2018 à 13 h 16

DJSums17

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Quoting: palhal

He was only benched cause of Dermott. When Dermott wasn't there he played and played well.
Lilegren, Lindgren, LoVerde all RHD
Marincin, Borgman, Rosen are LHD that CAN play right side which btw at least 1 will be on the Leafs
Sandin is going to Sweden, you sure Durzi is Marlies eligible?
Either way there is a spot for Nielsen

15 août 2018 à 15 h 57

#10

dirtysaucedonny

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I don't understand how Toronto gives up the better assets and gets the weaker player? For WPG to only give up a 2nd, Trouba and Dano for Karlsson is outrageous. TOR giving up Kapanen and a 1st would be a bit of an overpayment for one year of Trouba, but if he was to come with an extension, TOR could throw in a 3rd or 4th and I think that's fair value

16 août 2018 à 9 h 35

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TotheNorth

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Quoting: dirtysaucedonny

It's actually 1 year @ 5.5M then 1 year of RFA with arb rights so 2 years control of Trouba. Gives them the ability to try and re-sign him after jan 1st for 1.5 years.

17 août 2018 à 9 h 5

#12

dirtysaucedonny

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Quoting: TotheNorth

It's actually 1 year @ 5.5M then 1 year of RFA with arb rights so 2 years control of Trouba. Gives them the ability to try and re-sign him after jan 1st for 1.5 years.

Ok so with this in mind, WPG is still fleecing this deal, with TOR giving up way more and getting the weaker player. I just don't see how that happens? Why would TOR not just give up the same pieces and get a year of Karlsson, and then try the same thing you're suggesting they do with Trouba?

17 août 2018 à 16 h 0

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TotheNorth

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Quoting: dirtysaucedonny

So depends on what theory you prescribe to. Toronto gets a 24 year old RHD instead of a 28 year old Karlsson whos more likely to decline in an 8 year deal than Trouba. The other factor is with Tavares, Matthews, Marner all making big money deals, adding Karlsson at the rumored 10-12M might not be as feasible as a 6.5-8M Trouba. Also OTT likely WILL NOT trade in the division. Use the Hoffman deal as reference where SJS seemingly got a better return for Hoffman than OTT did because they refused to trade him within the division (or were told they couldn't).

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