Modifié 11 août 2018 à 1 h 31
Quoting: jglazer9
1) Teams are allowed to talk extension with him. This gives a team like Tampa the certainty of keeping him.
2) It is very ignorant to say the Rental aspect of a player eliminates all of his value. Do you realize Karlsson is the best dman in the NHL and to some even a top 3 player? If this deal becomes a sign and trade, Karlsson for Sergachev, Cirelli and a 1st isn't a crazy deal. To say they'd be -lucky- to get either of those players is BS. Mark Stone would fetch a Brannstrom/Honka in a trade.
3) The idea that Ryan going to a third team will diminish their return from the contender getting Karlsson does not make sense. The sens will likely have to give up a pick and take back a smaller cap dump, but they won't lose anything from TBL/VGK/DAL
Karlsson has stated that he does not want to sign an extension until he's already settled for a while to decide if he likes the city or not. He loved Tampa during the all-star games, and I see no reason why he wouldn't like to live in Tampa and play on a team with Hedman, but since it's not a guarantee, that's still a risk.
As I explained, if he won't guarantee that he'll re-sign, the only teams who would want him are teams that he could help win the Cup before that becomes an issue. What need does Dallas have for Karlsson next season? I mean, they would give a small package just to increase their chances at signing him, but the only way you can get Heiskanen, for example, is if Karlsson guarantees an extension. Even then, it's doubtful, since I don't see the Stars contending for a while, and Karlsson's aging, whereas Heiskanen has many seasons ahead of him, but Karlsson may be better than Heiskanen ever is.
Anyway, if he's not guaranteeing an extension, then yes, Sergachev, Cirelli, and a 1st
is crazy.
Maybe Foote, a 1st, a 2nd, Dotchin, and a cap dump, but you wouldn't get even that from any non-Cup contender. From Vegas, you
maybe get Brannstrom, a mid-level prospect, and a few picks. As I said, Honka, Brannstrom, and Foote aren't outside the realm of possibility, but Dorion really has to negotiate well for that to happen.
Yes, Ryan will hurt the return. Especially based on the situation, many people think that it will take Raddysh and a 1st to get a team to take Bobby Ryan and the Lightning's other cap dump, and Melnyk won't take any of that. Of course that diminishes your return. The Lightning don't care what goes to you and what goes to some other city, they care how much they paid for what they got. If they're getting Karlsson, they're going to pay the price of Karlsson, and if some of that package goes to a third team for cap purposes, then that comes from the Senators' return. Cap dumps aren't free, and when you attach a cap dump to a trade, you have to give up something. It's really too bad Melnyk is working there, since you would be much better off keeping Bobby Ryan.
Karlsson and Melnyk have both made this situation terrible for themselves and have drastically lowered the potential return (Karlsson won't guarantee an extension, Melnyk won't keep Bobby Ryan or accept any salary going his way, etc.) . Meanwhile, Dorion demanded Point, Glass, or Heiskanen, and started leaking false rumors to try to raise trade values, which did not bode well with other GMs, who I don't think are necessarily negotiating this as seriously anymore.
The Senators are in a desperate situation, and not one that gets you anywhere near fair market value. Dorion's request for Point is almost laughable.