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Why Acquiring Ryan Ellis Doesn't Make Sense

Créé par: OldNYIfan
Équipe: 2019-20 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Date de création initiale: 19 juill. 2018
Publié: 19 juill. 2018
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
Several AGM's have noticed that Ryan Ellis' contract comes up for renewal next year. They suggest either signing him in 2019 or (even worse) trading for him this year, assuming he will automatically re-sign with Toronto in 2019. Putting that optimistic conviction aside, here's the math. Note that I'm one player under the roster limit, have used VERY conservative figures for the FA's, promoted the cheapest guys possible from the Marlies, have a third defense pair that has never played a single game in the NHL as yet, and I'm still over the salary cap.
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RFAANSCAP HIT
810 000 000 $
87 000 000 $
86 000 000 $
41 750 000 $
31 666 666 $
3750 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
55 200 000 $
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2279 500 000 $73 927 776 $0 $735 000 $5 572 224 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
700 000 $700 000 $
AG, C
UFA - 1
11 000 000 $11 000 000 $
C, AG
NMC
UFA - 6
6 000 000 $6 000 000 $
AD
UFA - 5
2 250 000 $2 250 000 $
AD, AG
M-NTC
UFA - 2
10 000 000 $10 000 000 $
C
UFA - 5
7 000 000 $7 000 000 $
AD
UFA - 6
1 666 666 $1 666 666 $
AG, AD
UFA - 4
4 500 000 $4 500 000 $
C
M-NTC
UFA - 3
2 100 000 $2 100 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
694 444 $694 444 $ (Bonis de performance70 000 $$70K)
AG
UFA - 1
1 750 000 $1 750 000 $
AD
UFA - 3
675 000 $675 000 $
C
UFA - 1
842 500 $842 500 $ (Bonis de performance82 500 $$82K)
AD
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
DG
UFA - 3
5 200 000 $5 200 000 $
DD
UFA - 8
5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
G
M-NTC
UFA - 2
863 333 $863 333 $
DG/DD
UFA - 1
4 500 000 $4 500 000 $
DD
M-NTC
UFA - 5
697 500 $697 500 $ (Bonis de performance182 500 $$182K)
DG
UFA - 1
863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance400 000 $$400K)
DD
RFA - 3
750 000 $750 000 $
G
UFA - 1
675 000 $675 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
5 300 000 $5 300 000 $
AD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 1

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19 juill. 2018 à 15 h 38
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Agreed. And you were also very conservative on the numbers for Mathews & Kapanen (Marner and Nylander are close to what I would give em). Even 5.2 for Ellis is a low ball on the open market. But yeah, over the cap with still a player to sign and Horton's LTIR applied. Even increasing the cap by a conservative 2 mill isn't helping.
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19 juill. 2018 à 15 h 38
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You are over “this years” salary cap...
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19 juill. 2018 à 15 h 39
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IMO you're about a million short in Matthews, Marner and Ellis' contracts. Nylander is probably in the ball park and Marner would be if he signed today. But even with that million you could still possibly be under the cap
19 juill. 2018 à 15 h 41
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Agreed completely. Despite having Marleau come off the books soon, the leafs will definitely need some cap help. The cap will go up, but not by the amount they will need to keep all of their valuable assets. That Zaitsev deal looked like a nightmare the minute it was signed, and will only get worse if he can't find another level to his game. I think some assistance should come in the form of looking to trade Gardiner and Marleau as a package for a D. Only other option when looking for a place to find money would be trading Nylander for a defenceman of his calibre. No way this Leafs team makes it out of the East, let alone wins a cup, with a D core looking like that.
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19 juill. 2018 à 15 h 42
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Quoting: Jamiepo
You are over “this years” salary cap...


That's the whole point. Didn't you read the Team Description before posting?
19 juill. 2018 à 15 h 43
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IMO you're about a million short in Matthews, Marner and Ellis' contracts.


That's the whole point. Put the three where they're likely to end up and you're WAY over the cap.
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Agreed completely. Despite having Marleau come off the books soon, the leafs will definitely need some cap help. The cap will go up, but not by the amount they will need to keep all of their valuable assets. That Zaitsev deal looked like a nightmare the minute it was signed, and will only get worse if he can't find another level to his game. I think some assistance should come in the form of looking to trade Gardiner and Marleau as a package for a D. Only other option when looking for a place to find money would be trading Nylander for a defenceman of his calibre. No way this Leafs team makes it out of the East, let alone wins a cup, with a D core looking like that.


In other constructions I've suggested trading Gardiner now for Stephen Johns (Dallas) or Jon Merrill (Las Vegas). I would even sweeten any deal with a high draft pick because it can be seen as the cost of signing John Tavares.
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19 juill. 2018 à 15 h 55
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Agreed
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19 juill. 2018 à 16 h 10
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Well the cap might be 83m not 79.5. I'll agree that trading for a one year Ellis makes no sense. But let's think June 2019, and the Leaf management has decided they want to improve RHD and can get Ellis as UFA at a reasonable price. Then for sure, a high priced forward...probably Nylander or Kadri would have to be traded. You may not get quite the value back in a trade and the trade would have to be for picks and/or cheap ELC players.
Teams have cap problems if they cannot fill. out their roster with needs because they have untradeable players blocking their roster due to cap. Similarly the Leafs kinda make a trade this summer. They "traded" 7m JVR and 5m Bozak for 11m Tavares.
Maybe next summer the "trade" might be Nylander for Canes Fleury, Mckoewn and 12th overall pick and Ellis.
So there shouldn't be any regret trading a player and getting value in return and using the cap to sign a player for position you really need.
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Well the cap might be 83m not 79.5. I'll agree that trading for a one year Ellis makes no sense. But let's think June 2019, and the Leaf management has decided they want to improve RHD and can get Ellis as UFA at a reasonable price. Then for sure, a high priced forward...probably Nylander or Kadri would have to be traded. You may not get quite the value back in a trade and the trade would have to be for picks and/or cheap ELC players.
Teams have cap problems if they cannot fill. out their roster with needs because they have untradeable players blocking their roster due to cap. Similarly the Leafs kinda make a trade this summer. They "traded" 7m JVR and 5m Bozak for 11m Tavares.
Maybe next summer the "trade" might be Nylander for Canes Fleury, Mckoewn and 12th overall pick and Ellis.
So there shouldn't be any regret trading a player and getting value in return and using the cap to sign a player for position you really need.


Another brilliant analysis, argument and suggestion. You really should do this for a living. And how did you know Roland McKeown is one of my favorite prospects to watch?
19 juill. 2018 à 17 h 29
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Another brilliant analysis, argument and suggestion. You really should do this for a living. And how did you know Roland McKeown is one of my favorite prospects to watch?


I didn't know he was one of your favourites. I was just thinking of logical trade....Canes wants forwards, and if the Leaf wanted cheap ELCs who are potentially good, those names came up.

Thanks for saying I should do this for a living. After watching Pat Quinn, Ferguson, Burke and Nonis, I was schooled very well in NOT what to do as Leaf GM.
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I didn't know he was one of your favourites. I was just thinking of logical trade....Canes wants forwards, and if the Leaf wanted cheap ELCs who are potentially good, those names came up.

Thanks for saying I should do this for a living. After watching Pat Quinn, Ferguson, Burke and Nonis, I was schooled very well in NOT what to do as Leaf GM.


Who's this?

Acquired Jeff Carter -- Great move
Acquired Marian Gaborik -- Great move
Acquired Mike Richards -- good move at the time
Retained Mike Richards -- bad move, and I said so at the time
Acquired Moilan Lucic -- bad move, and I said so at the time
Acquired Andrej Sekera -- really terrible move, I said so at the time, and hence my interest in Roland McKeown
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