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Faulk and Skinner to Chicago

Créé par: ChiHawk
Équipe: 2018-19 Blackhawks de Chicago
Date de création initiale: 14 juill. 2018
Publié: 14 juill. 2018
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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Car is obviously not finding the over payment they want for Faulk or Skinner...they are making a mistake by not moving them soon. Both are coming off of down years and both are UFA's signed for 2 and 1 season. Additionally, Skinner has said he won't resign in CAR and due to Carolina's moves this offseason, it's no secret Faulk is out. The longer Carolina waits, the lower Faulk and Skinner's values go. AA would be perfect for Car who needs a 2C or 3C and would help mentor Svechnikov. Kahun is the top LW prospect out of the KHL as a potential replacement for Skinner in the next couple seasons. Forsberg, a young goalie prospect, has a better NHL save % then Darling so would be an ideal backup goalie. You could also add the Hawk's #27 pick, Beaudin a LHD, into this package and remove Kahun.
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UFAANSCAP HIT
Beaudin 2018 #27 pick, Nicolas
3925 000 $
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CHI
  1. Faulk, Justin
  2. Skinner, Jeff
Détails additionnels:
Faulk = 1st round and 4th round pick
Skinner 1 year rental = 2 or 3C in AA, good backup goalie (better save % then Darling), LW/C top KHL prospect, 2nd round pick
CAR
  1. Anisimov, Artem
  2. Forsberg, Anton
  3. Kahun, Dominik
  4. Choix de 1e ronde en 2019 (CHI)
  5. Choix de 2e ronde en 2019 (CHI)
  6. Choix de 4e ronde en 2019 (BOS)
Détails additionnels:
Hawks get Faulk who arguably can be a top pairing with Keith...although really a 2nd liner. Skinner, one dimensional LW goal scorer.
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CHI
  1. Choix de 2e ronde en 2019 (OTT)
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778 333 $778 333 $ (Bonis de performance132 500 $$132K)
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833 750 $833 750 $
C, AG
RFA - 1
925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
AD, C
UFA - 1
925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance925 000 $$925K)
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C
M-NTC
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750 000 $750 000 $
C, AG, AD
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925 000 $925 000 $
C
UFA - 1
650 000 $650 000 $
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6 000 000 $6 000 000 $
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DG
UFA - 2
6 875 000 $6 875 000 $
DD
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3 000 000 $3 000 000 $
G
NMC
UFA - 1
2 250 000 $2 250 000 $
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14 juill. 2018 à 17 h 34
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Ottawa is going into a rebuild, they probably won't give up a early round pick for two 5/6 D
14 juill. 2018 à 17 h 35
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Not a bad idea here, but I think Carolina is going to want more from the Hawks than what you proposed. If they did do this, it would be a huge win for the Hawks. And I agree with the guy above, Ottawa isn't going to deal their 2nd rounder especially since they don't have a 1st rounder which was traded to Colorado. I could see Forsling or Rutta being moved, but it would be to some other team.
14 juill. 2018 à 17 h 38
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hawks would probably have to get rid of a top defensive/forward prospect to get the deal done, but its not too far off.
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14 juill. 2018 à 17 h 43
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Quoting: Budi1782
Not a bad idea here, but I think Carolina is going to want more from the Hawks than what you proposed. If they did do this, it would be a huge win for the Hawks. And I agree with the guy above, Ottawa isn't going to deal their 2nd rounder especially since they don't have a 1st rounder which was traded to Colorado. I could see Forsling or Rutta being moved, but it would be to some other team.


Faulk isn't worth more then a mid to late 1st rounder...here they get a 1st and 4th rounder for him.

Skinner is a 1 year rental and he gets a 2nd round pick, AA, Forsberg (Car needs a better backup), and Kahun who is one of the top prospects from the KHL. For a 1 year rental and being a 1 dimensional player, Skinner isn't worth more then that. You could swap out Beaudin, the #27 pick, with Kahun also if Car prefers.

OTT will get a 1st, 2nd and more for EK. They will need to replace EK on the right side and Rutta is serviceable on the 2nd line and a pretty good 3rd liner.
14 juill. 2018 à 17 h 46
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Ottawa is going into a rebuild, they probably won't give up a early round pick for two 5/6 D


Forsling has good upside as a prospect should be a 2nd liner. Rutta is a decent 2nd liner on the right and a solid 3rd liner. Could of course offer murphy for a 2nd pick too. Moving EK, they are looking for young defenders and will pick up at least a 1st and 2nd pick for EK...their defensive prospect cupboards are bare. Hawks have a log jam of defensive guys.
14 juill. 2018 à 17 h 49
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hawks would probably have to get rid of a top defensive/forward prospect to get the deal done, but its not too far off.


Not sure. Car doesn't need defense as they are pretty stacked unless it's a guy a few years away like Beaudin, the Hawks #27 pick. In that case, Hawks can swap out Kahun for Beaudin.
14 juill. 2018 à 17 h 52
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Canes pass. Plus Skinner has an NMC and already declined to waive it twice from rumors. Sounds like he is going to play out the season and test the market.
14 juill. 2018 à 18 h 1
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Canes pass. Plus Skinner has an NMC and already declined to waive it twice from rumors. Sounds like he is going to play out the season and test the market.


Dump for the Canes to pass on an offer like this as both players are coming off of down seasons. Skinner is good as gone, if not now then next year, and he better play better if Skinner thinks he'll get a Evander Kane or JVR offer. Faulk isn't worth more then a mid to late 1st round pick and everyone knows he's out of Carolina with the moves they made this offseason. People act like Faulk is a Carlsson type of player, but he's not.
14 juill. 2018 à 18 h 3
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Faulk isn't worth more then a mid to late 1st rounder...here they get a 1st and 4th rounder for him.

Skinner is a 1 year rental and he gets a 2nd round pick, AA, Forsberg (Car needs a better backup), and Kahun who is one of the top prospects from the KHL. For a 1 year rental and being a 1 dimensional player, Skinner isn't worth more then that. You could swap out Beaudin, the #27 pick, with Kahun also if Car prefers.

OTT will get a 1st, 2nd and more for EK. They will need to replace EK on the right side and Rutta is serviceable on the 2nd line and a pretty good 3rd liner.


Again my point is, is that what they SHOULD be worth? Yes. Is that what Carolina is going to want in return? Probably not. The reason they haven't moved these guys yet is because they are asking for too much. Until the price comes down, the other 30 teams are going to balk.
14 juill. 2018 à 18 h 5
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Dump for the Canes to pass on an offer like this as both players are coming off of down seasons. Skinner is good as gone, if not now then next year, and he better play better if Skinner thinks he'll get a Evander Kane or JVR offer. Faulk isn't worth more then a mid to late 1st round pick and everyone knows he's out of Carolina with the moves they made this offseason. People act like Faulk is a Carlsson type of player, but he's not.


Canes want to move both, But Skinner has full NMC, he is not going anywhere unless he wants too. And he does not by the sounds of it.
14 juill. 2018 à 18 h 6
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Again my point is, is that what they SHOULD be worth? Yes. Is that what Carolina is going to want in return? Probably not. The reason they haven't moved these guys yet is because they are asking for too much. Until the price comes down, the other 30 teams are going to balk.


And that's the beauty of it. Longer Canes wait, the less their value is. That's a big risk given both players are coming off of down seasons for them individually. If Faulk has another down year, then his value will plummet. Skinner is UFA in less then a year and says he will not resign. Canes need to move quickly. This is currently slight overpayment for both players, but the longer Canes wait the value goes down and in the case of Skinner, the value becomes zero in return in another season.
14 juill. 2018 à 18 h 9
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Canes want to move both, But Skinner has full NMC, he is not going anywhere unless he wants too. And he does not by the sounds of it.


I get it, but you don't think Skinner wouldn't want to play in Chicago on a line with Kane if the Hawks negotiate a solid extension for him? Skinner has said he won't sign an extension in Carolina, that's all he has said. I'm sure he would love to go to any of the top 5 market teams in addition to playing on a line with opposite one of the top 5 wingers in the league. Money matters of course, but so do things like playing in front of 20K fans every single home game, playing for a run at the cup, and playing with guys who are better then you and will pad your stats.
14 juill. 2018 à 19 h 27
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Canes doesen't need 2-3 C they need 1C. Obiviously Skinner and Faulk wont return that but moving em to backage where Anisimov is a main part doesen't make sense. They already have Staal and Rask.
14 juill. 2018 à 19 h 39
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Faulk isn't worth more then a mid to late 1st rounder...here they get a 1st and 4th rounder for him.

Skinner is a 1 year rental and he gets a 2nd round pick, AA, Forsberg (Car needs a better backup), and Kahun who is one of the top prospects from the KHL. For a 1 year rental and being a 1 dimensional player, Skinner isn't worth more then that. You could swap out Beaudin, the #27 pick, with Kahun also if Car prefers.

OTT will get a 1st, 2nd and more for EK. They will need to replace EK on the right side and Rutta is serviceable on the 2nd line and a pretty good 3rd liner.


Jfyi Kahun is not from the KHL - he only played in the German league DEL.

I'm not sure Carolina would want a goalie who is waiver eligible either as they already have Mrázek penciled in as backup. Mrázek had one very bad season but he was most average to well above average his other seasons in the NHL, which is more than Forsberg can say. They might be interested in a goalie prospect that can play in the AHL, though.

I agree with others that the Canes aren't going to want Anisimov - if they're not getting a 1C, they're looking for players in the general age range of their younger players. It's why they keep asking for Saad and Schmaltz type of guys, which are off limits for the Hawks (as they should be).
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Jfyi Kahun is not from the KHL - he only played in the German league DEL.

I'm not sure Carolina would want a goalie who is waiver eligible either as they already have Mrázek penciled in as backup. Mrázek had one very bad season but he was most average to well above average his other seasons in the NHL, which is more than Forsberg can say. They might be interested in a goalie prospect that can play in the AHL, though.

I agree with others that the Canes aren't going to want Anisimov - if they're not getting a 1C, they're looking for players in the general age range of their younger players. It's why they keep asking for Saad and Schmaltz type of guys, which are off limits for the Hawks (as they should be).


Canes aren't getting a 1C from any team unless they are willing to give away the house. Faulk and Skinner aren't going to get them a proper top tier 1C, that would take those two and likely a 1st rounder pick. They have Staal, Rask, true, but they have and can play Aho at 1C. Staal and AA can switch positions back and forth as needed. If not, AA is a better 3C then Rask who is really not much more then a 4C.
14 juill. 2018 à 20 h 6
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Nothing more than a 4C? C'mon, yes he had a down year but he had 48 and 45 point seasons before that. He is capeable to 3C duties. Don't see much of an upgrade on Anisimov.
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Quoting: ChiHawk
Canes aren't getting a 1C from any team unless they are willing to give away the house. Faulk and Skinner aren't going to get them a proper top tier 1C, that would take those two and likely a 1st rounder pick. They have Staal, Rask, true, but they have and can play Aho at 1C. Staal and AA can switch positions back and forth as needed. If not, AA is a better 3C then Rask who is really not much more then a 4C.

I'm not sure how you can call Rask a 4C but Anisimov a 2/3C in the same sentence - they have pretty damn similar stats and usage. I mean, they had almost identical production this past season - the main difference was that Anisimov had over half his goals come from the powerplay and Rask scored more of his at 5v5, and that's with Anisimov being 3rd in PP TOI for the Hawks and Rask being only 6th for the Canes. If you go back the last couple of seasons, their production continues to look the same, though Rask is just slightly higher. Their numbers from production down to underlying show they're both good 3Cs that can slot up with the right linemates. And with Rask being 5 years younger and cheaper/lower cap hit, that swings things in his favor a bit.

Carolina isn't getting a 1C from Skinner / Faulk but that doesn't mean they want another 3C who is now 30 and has injury history instead.
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14 juill. 2018 à 20 h 16
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Nothing more than a 4C? C'mon, yes he had a down year but he had 48 and 45 point seasons before that. He is capeable to 3C duties. Don't see much of an upgrade on Anisimov.


Goal scoring is the difference. AA can score.
14 juill. 2018 à 20 h 28
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Goal scoring is the difference. AA can score.

Goal scoring doesn't change what level of center they are, though. And Anisimov had all of 6 more goals than Rask this past season, though, and that was being on a PP unit with Kane. Anisimov would not get top 3 PP time with the Canes. Maybe if Rask had gotten more time with Aho or TT, he'd have 20 goals too.
 
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