I could definitely live with all of this!

Flames aren't trading Tkachuk for 30+ year old Simmonds, a dime a dozen back up goalie and a flat lining prospect.

It's a nice dream though.

Just because Rubtsov was drafted in the first round doesn't make a good prospect.
Neuvirth is just a body, there's is no value in 30-year-old back-ups.

So essentially it's Simmonds (a pending UFA) for Tkachuk and a cap dump in Brouwer (Which isn't even that bad of a contract).

Hard no from the flames.

Believe what you want but I am actually overpaying.

If you don't actually know much about the prospect you should probably just stay quiet. Just saying. And I love how you think a 30 year old goalie has no value...maybe you should look at some of the 30+ year old goalies out there and get back to me. Neuvy is a very solid backup and if you think differently then you don't know a whole lot.

Haha, that is not an overpayment it is a garbage offer. Tkachuk is already better than Simmonds and he's 19 on an ELC still.

Rubtsov had his numbers regress in junior as a 19 year old. That's always a great sign. You can keep him.

Neuvirth has barely any value. Maybe a mid round pick at best.

But hey, the 3rd rounder almost swayed me lol.

Garbage. Offer.

Its all about perspective. Players don't have automatically assigned trade value. Rather GM's have ego's and expectations.

Overpaying is such a subjective phrase thrown on here. Overpaying is only actually overpaying when the deal is accepted. So if the general consensus is that the deal isn't a go, you can't be overpaying.

Tkachuk is already better than Simmonds? Really? That explains all I need to know about you.

That's a little childish, don't you think? When you start attacking someone's intelligence without any constructive counter-arguments, it just means that you're too stubborn to acknowledge a valid POV that differs from yours.

Don't have too look to far to see how much Back-goalies are worth. For instance, Mike Condon got Pitts a 4th rounder. And he had much better stats than Neurvith at the time.

Childish? Your arguments aren't valid so no it isn't childish. CGY has a need and I filled it...that is what trading is about.

You are right. Here's my counter-proposal:

CGY 2018 4th rounder for Neurvith

Might even be willing to throw another 4th in there in goodwill. Nevertheless, CGY gets the much-needed backup tender they've been looking for all these years, without giving up their best young prospect

Completely agree - why on earth would Calgary trade a 21 year old rising star for a 30 year old soon to be UFa with his best years behind him? This is a young mans league now. Super Hard No from Calgary

Clearly you missed the extension part...

Why do you think Simmonds best years are behind him? What has he done to make you think this?

Because he's 30 and guys don't get better after 30, especially when they play the physical style that Simmonds does. The extension is fine, but definitely not worth giving up Tkachuk for. Why not just wait a year, sign Simmonds as a UFA, and then have both?

Funny because Kopitar, Giroux, Kessel, Marchand, Wheeler, Staal, Perron etc. all had some of their best years and guess how old they are?

And your argument about waiting a year is valid except that nobody seems to think like this if you look at guys like Patches, Karlsson, OEL etc.

None of those players play the same game as Simmonds. Anyways, statistics don't lie:

https://hockey-graphs.com/2017/03/23/a-new-look-at-aging-curves-for-nhl-skaters-part-1/

31 is where the majority of players drop off.

Yes, he's better right now, and the gap is only going to widen because Tkachuk is 20 and Simmonds is 30.

0.72 points per game for Tkachuk last year in only his 2nd year in the league, 0.61 points per game for Simmonds and Simmonds played almost a minute more per game.

The Flames won't move Tkachuk at all, never mind moving him for Wayne Simmonds lol.

Wheeler doesn't play like Simmonds?

LMFAO, and according to the "statistics" you provided, D men get worse after age 22...I think it is pretty obvious that isn't the case.

And Simmonds played with a broken pelvis, broken ankle and torn tendons in his hand...could that possibly have had an impact on his game?

Oh good, that makes everything OK then. Can we please have your 30 year old power forward with half of his body broken? I'm sure that's going to end well for us.

Ya because nothing ever heals...

If you read the article, players hit their peak between the ages of 22 and 25. After 25, they slowly decline until the age of 31 where they dip significantly after that. Obviously, it varies from player to player as not everyone is the same. Regardless, doesn't matter when they peak, the point is that players decline significantly after the age of 31.

Also, just because Simmonds and Wheeler are the same sizes doesn't mean they play the same way. Simmonds is much more physical and plays a Power Foward type of role whereas Wheeler is more of a playmaker with a lot more skill. Please don't compare the two.

Heal him up and keep him then, or trade him for something else.

I don't how many times I have to say this: You are not getting Matt Tkachuk for Wayne Simmonds, or Rubtsov, or Neuvirth or a 3rd round pick (lol) or any combination of those things.

Ok fair point.

So what was his excuse for the 2016-2017 season where he had a similar PPG?

For every guy like that who has a career year after 30, there are 20 who aren't in the league anymore or struggle with speed or injuries. For example, a couple of the guys who play similar styles to Simmonds - Ryans Kesler and Callahan - have had massive struggles in years 31-33. I'm not saying Simmonds won't have a good year or two in his next contract, but would you rather have a 21-25 year old Tkachuk, or a 31-35 year old Simmonds? That's not a hard decision, and there isn't enough else in this deal to make it worthwhile.