Not remotely close

Add in Zaitsev/Gardiner and a lot more picks then the trade is fair, as long as Karlsson doesn't re-sign in 2019.

Well, there is no such thing as "deal in place". And it's way too much for a rental. Try making roster in 2018/19 and seeing if this new contract (if valid) really works.
What is Karlsson going to like 10 years from now should be question, not what he done in the past.
Karlsson has looked awful, (from what I have seen) by his standards this year, I don't know if it's his ankle or what, but he's not the guy from last season.

Still have no idea what you talk about tbh

Blue chip prospect and a red hot goalie (Which sens desperately need) is more then enough without adding in anymore players. Karlsson has looked no where near as godly as last year, but still could yield a return package this big.

I know there isn't. Its actually called tampering but I didn't want to use that word lol. He hasn't been the greatest but there still is no denying his skill. Obviously the best option for the leafs is just not do anything and sign him as a UFA but if they want to make a deep run this year and next, why not?

I guess the question for the Leafs is to then really want to trade a bunch of futures for a two year run at the Cup. I don't think the Leafs are remotely close to true Cup run this year or next. even with Karlsson, or OEL or McDonagh and more pretenders. You say why not, I say why?

Getting Karlsson without giving up any current roster player is hillarious and having to retain salary too....come on. Marner, Nylander or Reilly would need to be involved in any trade for Karlsson. You can have Phaneuf.

That is absolutely false. If the Sens give up Karlsson, then they are signalling a rebuild. A blue chip prospect and the top goaltender in the AHL, plus picks and prospects should be enough. Don't forget his value is pretty low right now too.

Well first, lets clarify that OEL and McDonaugh are no where near elite players that put your team over the top. They are strong and good players, but not Elite, Secondly, age and cap. Andersen is in his prime and could use it, but thats not a huge issue....Its more that leafs will have roughly 25 mill in cap space wrapped up in 3 players (M'N'M). Yes they are giving up a blue chip prospect in Lilijgren, who could very well be as good as him, but could always be a shot in the dark

Hazard

There is absolutely no chance that the Leafs would make this trade as Liljegren himself is the future elite defenceman that the Leafs have been dreaming of having since they missed out on Bobby Orr. He is a right handed defenceman with elite skating and offensive abilities and will be the Leafs Power Play quarterback for years when he makes the team. His age is also a perfect fit to blend in with the Leafs young core. Mark Hunter may have hit the jackpot when he drafted this guy. The Leafs also would also not be willing to give up Bracco with his upside and his elite offensive skills at this early stage of his career.

Karlsson is a great player but he is probably looking for a monster salary and term which would not fit into the Leafs cost structure given they need to sign Matthews, Marner and Nylander. No team in today's NHL can afford to have to much salary committed to only a few players or your team will start to decline like the Hawks. I also think that Leafs would also be relunant to give away the first round pick in a very deep draft when they have Mark Hunter at the controls who is probably the best in the business in drafting players.

I'm not diasagreeing with you here at all. I would never want to get rid of blue chip prospects for uncertainty in contracts and cap. I think R. Ellis on NSH is more the answer to the leafs then anyone, but I wanted to try and build a scenerio where the leafs would get Karlsson and go on a cup run for this and next year. Obviously the best method is to be patient and if anything, wait for Karlsson/Doughty as a UFA, but with the 3 superstars due for pay days, why not? btw, that conditional first rounder was in 2019, not 18, forgot to mention that.

Secondly, I love Kapanen, and think he is an extremely huge part of the future. This deal could have went 2 ways. One with the way I proposed, the other with Dermott and Kapanen in the trade instead of Bracco and Lilijgren.

Again, My method of thought here was to build a contender now, without chopping away to heavily at the future assets we have, and give a realistic proposal Ottawa would think twice too.

You know on CapFriendly, non Leafs fans...seem to think it's Nylander, Lilgren and picks for any sort of short term help. Leafs seem to have to pay more than any other team for players.

Hazard

I agree with your comments and I too really like Kapanen and Dermott. Dermott is not going anywhere as for my money he is a game changer and is actually the Leafs second best defenceman right now.

We take the most crap out of any team in the NHL lol and this website. Any trade/proposal we make, its never in our favour and were delusional... Jealousy I guess

Appreciate you being humble with me man. Just wanted to express a penny for my thoughts lol

People are going to yell and rave about Bracco and Lilegren and I definitely agree with them for sure... but Sparks is far and away the best goalie in the AHL right now... no it's not the NHL but the AHL is getting better and better every game cause as NHL players get better so does AHL teams. That is WAY overpayment imo. My offer would be:

Karlsson (full contract)

For

JVR
Carrick
Pickard
Nielsen
1st and 3rd

Done before the deadline so they can move the 1year guys for more. Like a JVR and Pickard. Carrick I believe is an RFA so he's still under control.

True I guess

Karlsson's value will never be low at this point in his career, ask Mr. Norris then ask him again. It would take a hell of a lot more to get him that was offered. Would you take that for Matthews hell no. Lazar was a blue-chip prospect too.....lots of those don't pan out. Just because you have solid number's in the AHL doesn't mean squat.

Why would the Leafs make any trades, ever?

They have the best prospects in the league!

In a matter of a year the leafs will have two A+ starting goaltenders, 6 elite dmen, 12 top line forwards on their active roster and their AHL team will be nothing but former 1st round picks and draft day steals who all played at the WJHC and are in Craig buttons op 50 prospect list. Every year.

I think the Leafs just need to let the inevitable happen and not waste their time with guys like Karlsson or Tavares, etc.

Ooof, now I think thats a big underpayment for Karlsson lol. Obviously for Leafs thats perfect, but for Sens, thats a rip off for arguably 3rd best dman in the world. What I think Sens would want is a blue chip prospect, a prospect forward, goaltender depth, and picks. I dont think they really care about "current NHLer's" if this is something along the lines of that. Thats why JvR and Pickard wont do it because they want prospects vs people they can flip for picks

It doesn't matter what the original cost of something was. It matters what it is now. Karlsson is probably a want away player, AND his value has diminished substantially this year. They had to dig in deep into their depth and picks to bring in Matt Duchene. To even be able to Yield this return package from the Leafs is gold to OTT and a complete overpayment/Gamble from the leafs. but to get quality, you gotta give up quality, and this is surely something OTT would think twice

Oh, I dont disagree with you at all man. I know how good the leafs are and the value of each indivual player, but I thought lets take a step outside the box and create a package OTT would want to think twice. Leafs/any team in the NHL window has never been clearer with all the parity that goes on, and in an era where the leafs will get bum effed by the cap in a couple years, this could help. Just wanted to try something new and create a nice package

JVR was a stretch, but Pickard is definitely a good piece though. He's NHL ready, he's cost controlled, and one of the best goalies in the AHL. Carrick and Nielsen are team controlled for a couple years and VERY good prospects. Carrick is a top 6, maybe if in a bind can be top 4. Nielsen needs to be moved so he can show his skill, he's a top 4 guy that's logged jammed behind other good LHD I'd say B+ to A- prospect. He's very underrated.

It's definitely a great package, but very overpaid. I'd like Leafs to stay pat too.