TOR wants RHD

Hamonic is a RHD...

my bad i got him and brodie mixed up

No thanks. I think it's becoming a bit overblown how much we need a defenseman. Would I like one? Yes. Do we NEED one? No. If we go the draft and develop route I don't think we'll have an issue at all.

The Leafs are middle of the pack for goals against, and sure Freddy has been good but the defense has stepped up recently. We shut out both New York teams 2 games in a row with our top pair injured.

I'd be quite content if the Leafs were to hold off on getting a defenseman, and am certainly not trading Marner to do so.

Rielly-Hainsey
Gardiner-Zaitsev
Dermott-Liljegren

We could be looking at that as early as next year. That's not a team that "desperately" needs a defenseman. Look at PIT last year.

So I politely decline. Sorry for the long post. Lol.

Toronto not gonna give up Marner to score a 80 year old D man. Have you seen there D since the All Star Break? Best in the Hockey Universe with all the young kids in the line up. 2 Shut Outs in 2 Games.

How do you leave Holl out after his first 2 NHL games? and Borgman has been a solid physical force this season. Would be move Jake in the off season find a solid third line C

Because it's 2 games. Sure has been good but odds are he won't even be up come Saturday. I'm not about to give him a spot after 2 games when he had little to no pedigree like Liljegren does.

Borgman has been good, but it's a numbers game. I was making those pairings based on what we have right now without trades. Gardiner is on this team until further notice.

Holl atleast deserves to be a #7 going forward. Gardiner has to go this off season will open up a lot of cap to get a #3 C in the line up. Id like to see a D with

Rielly- Hainsey
Dermott-Zaitsev
Borgman-Lilegren
Holl

I would even move Gardiner at the deadline for a #3 C. If we could go into the playoffs with Matthews, Kadri, Bozak, and (Gardiner C Trade) we would be pretty solid up the middle and be good with our young D, get best value for Gardiner and have a head start on Bozak walk this summer.

Flames 100% lose this trade and it's not close. All 3 guys you are giving up are gonna be a big part of this team in the future

You make some very fair points, I will certainly give you that. The point on needing vs. wanting a defenseman is valid - Toronto probably doesn't "desperately need" a defenseman. That being said, I don't think that Toronto will be able to get terribly far in the playoffs unless they add another one. Will that defensive core really carry the team through 4 playoff rounds? What happens when they play Tampa? What about Boston? What happens if there is an injury to Anderson? To Reilly? To Gardiner?

Maybe Toronto isn't desperate enough to give up a Marner. But in this case, is the return not something to think about? Valimaki will be a very good defenseman for years to come, maybe starting as early as next year. Bennett could be an intriguing fit in that lineup. This also provides depth in the event of an injury... So, you're right, Toronto doesn't need a defenseman. But isn't this something to think about?

Maybe. But are those three pieces bigger than Marner? I don't think so.

Lol what? Marner is better then all 3 of them, and then some, what are you about?

Sorry tho, TOR doesnt take this. Hamonic is 3-4 dman, and thats not what leafs are looking for, espeically to give up marner for that. Rumour was Hanafin for Marner. Thats a better trade then for Hamonic. If you want Marner, CGY would have to cough up Hamilton.

If that's the argument it's pretty poor. Leafs now have three regular dman out, and Zaitsev has just returned after 17 games. Last four games....4 wins, 4 goals against. Leafs are playing two rookies, now threes while they may not have name recognition, Leafs won't be better off by trading Marner. You keep on mentioning depth and injuries. There are only so many players a team a carry. It's not like they can 30 NHLers. You mention a injury to Andersen, so what happens to most teams in they lose their top goalies....it's trouble. By the way McIlerney had a shut out tonight,

Well the Leafs have played without Rielly for the last 5 (?) games, and Hainsey for the last 2. Zaitsev was out for 17. We have had injuries back there and have played some real good hockey. These last two games have arguable been our best 2 all year. Offensively and defensively.

If Marner was to be dealt it would have to be for a defensemen of Marner's value and age. That's why Hamilton was brought up by a poster above. I'm a fan of Valimaki, he'll be nice, but he isn't worth breaking up our stellar offense. Hamonic is okay, but has not been the same guy he was 2 years ago. In CGY or last year in NYI.

There have definitely been worse offers. Maybe the value is getting there for Marner, but the Leafs aren't prepared to deal for a package of players.

Marner is better than all 3... so what? It doesn't make Calgary a better team. That's like Nashville trading Subban, Johansen and Fabbro for McDavid. Do they get the best player in the trade? Yes, but they are a far weaker team

Marner is considered untouchable here in Toronto. Generally to get an untouchable player you need to give up an untouchable player. The sum of the parts of this trade may(do IMO) offer more value than Marner but at the end of the day the Leafs can organically fill the holes in their lineup within 1/2 seasons but they’re not going to find another Mitch Marner and that’s why this trade doesn’t happen.

Thats the thing tho, Marner is better and does make the team better then all of them that are included in that trade. And still its not good enough for him.

Bang on. To get quality, must give up quality. Those players just dont do it.

Leafs are I believe 14th in GAA, better than Washington. If the Leafs had allowed 9 fewer goals this year, they would be 5th in GAA. So this illusion that Leafs defence is sooooo bad, just isn't factual.

So who exactly in that trade for Calgary is considered untouchable?

Really? Comparing that trade to this one??? That'd be more like Jarnkrok, Ekholm and Bitetto for Draistel. Even that's not equal cause Draistel isn't as valuable as Marner

So... you're giving Holl the benefit of the doubt after 2 games yet Gards has been insane the last 10-11 games and he gets traded when we are on a playoff run?? Seriously???

That still makes Nashville a weaker team. Jarnkrok is a really solid player on one of the best deals in the league. As someone who watches a lot of Preds games, Ekholm is arguably their 2nd best D man.

No one is that’s my point.

Toronto has the top 15 lowest Goals against per game. Don't really get this notion that Toronto is desperate need of defenders.

They aren't desperate at all and won't be moving any key pieces before they see what they have in their current defenders and prospects. Looks like they could have 5 top 4 defenders by the end of the year. Not too shabby