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Time for Bowman to Go

Créé par: NickC1988
Équipe: 2017-18 Blackhawks de Chicago
Date de création initiale: 24 janv. 2018
Publié: 24 janv. 2018
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2 out of these 8 transactions have actually brought a positive change to the team. There's obviously many more good and bad trades he's made. But these are some major ones. Would you include the Toews and Kane contracts as good or bad moves?
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CHI
    Got these two from Columbus for Brandon Saad and Tyler Motte.
    Arty is now a 3C and is falling behind while Forsberg doesn't seem to be developed.
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      Got Saad back from Columbus for Panarin because he was afraid of Panarin's term (2 years) vs Saad's term (4 years). Now saad looks invisible many nights and has not helped Toews the way the hawks were hoping.
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        I actually like this acquisition. Panik was struggling. I'll accept this one.
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          Seabrook's contract is atrocious. This entire site knows. That's all I got on this one.
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            Traded a 3rd rounder for an AHL lifer. Looks amazing in the minors. Struggles to be level headed in the show.
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              We traded Teuvo because that's the only way the hawks could rid themselves of Bickell's contract. I'm not sure if it had one or two years left. I want to say it was one year. Anyways, we we're tight to the cap but a buyout would've worked and we could've kept Teuvo. Look at how he's doing in Carolina.
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                Teuvo Teravainen
                Bryan Bickell
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                CHI
                  We got the draft pick for DeBrincat by trading Shaw. Great move by Bowman.
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                  CHI
                    He traded a 2nd rounder (Christian Dvorak) to acquire an OFD that was stuck in Q's doghouse forever.
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                      24 janv. 2018 à 20 h 2
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                      I think he should trade Hartman and 2018 1st to Boston for Ryan Spooner before he goes and.... totally redeem himself! (dumb and dumber) Realistically would you accept Hartman + 2018 3rd for Spooner + Postma?
                      24 janv. 2018 à 20 h 6
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                      Quoting: FryesLeapMaine
                      I think he should trade Hartman and 2018 1st to Boston for Ryan Spooner before he goes and.... totally redeem himself! (dumb and dumber) Realistically would you accept Hartman + 2018 3rd for Spooner + Postma?

                      No because Spooner is more $$$$ and will end up on the 3rd line like Hartman.
                      24 janv. 2018 à 20 h 9
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                      Quoting: NickC1988
                      No because Spooner is more $$$$ and will end up on the 3rd line like Hartman.


                      He's 1st line PP though.
                      24 janv. 2018 à 20 h 18
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                      I'll take Bowman you take Garth Snow
                      24 janv. 2018 à 20 h 57
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                      Quoting: joshelkin
                      I'll take Bowman you take Garth Snow


                      Garth Snow got you Barzal and Pulock for Reinhart didn't he?
                      24 janv. 2018 à 20 h 57
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                      Quoting: FryesLeapMaine
                      He's 1st line PP though.


                      Still, I don't see it being a good fit
                      24 janv. 2018 à 20 h 59
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                      Still, I don't see it being a good fit


                      Other members of your fan base like it. They like Spooners skill as he's kinda similar to Teuvo or Jeff Skinner without the shot. A real "skill guy" instead of more brawn. Chicago thrives on guys that have tons of offensive skill but aren't great at defense. I think Spooner would be better for you than Hartman honestly, but if it'd take a 3rd rounder on top is debatable.
                      24 janv. 2018 à 21 h 3
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                      Quoting: FryesLeapMaine
                      Other members of your fan base like it. They like Spooners skill as he's kinda similar to Teuvo or Jeff Skinner without the shot. A real "skill guy" instead of more brawn. Chicago thrives on guys that have tons of offensive skill but aren't great at defense. I think Spooner would be better for you than Hartman honestly, but if it'd take a 3rd rounder on top is debatable.


                      I doubt it'd take the 3rd on top cause Hartman is cheaper, younger, and many people know of Spooner's rocky relationship in Boston.
                      24 janv. 2018 à 21 h 5
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                      Quoting: NickC1988
                      Garth Snow got you Barzal and Pulock for Reinhart didn't he?


                      It was Beauvillier, but he should have been long out of a job. One playoff series win in 12 years. Has had JT at a $5.5M cap hit for the last 6 years and didn't take advantage of it. He won't be any better suited building a contender when 91 is getting $10-12M.

                      I could rant for an hour, but he is terrible. One or two victories don't erase dozens of defeats. He thinks he's the smartest guy in the room (spoiler: he's not) and continues to sit on his hands as the team sputters.
                      24 janv. 2018 à 21 h 6
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                      Quoting: joshelkin
                      It was Beauvillier, but he should have been long out of a job. One playoff series win in 12 years. Has had JT at a $5.5M cap hit for the last 6 years and didn't take advantage of it. He won't be any better suited building a contender when 91 is getting $10-12M.

                      I could rant for an hour, but he is terrible. One or two victories don't erase dozens of defeats. He thinks he's the smartest guy in the room (spoiler: he's not) and continues to sit on his hands as the team sputters.


                      Sounds like Bowman. At least he got a great return for Hamonic.
                      24 janv. 2018 à 21 h 10
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                      Quoting: NickC1988
                      I doubt it'd take the 3rd on top cause Hartman is cheaper, younger, and many people know of Spooner's rocky relationship in Boston.


                      Spooner's turned the corner though, look at his points per game this season. He's done everything asked of him this year so the fence has been mended.
                      24 janv. 2018 à 22 h 12
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                      Quoting: NickC1988
                      Sounds like Bowman. At least he got a great return for Hamonic.


                      I'll take your Stanley Cups plz
                      25 janv. 2018 à 1 h 47
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                      Bowman doesn't necessarily need to go. The Hawks have been hampered by some misfortune and as a fellow Hawks fan you had to know this was coming. The team is aging and it is difficult to keep a team contending in the cap era. I think there is some young talent that can flourish. Yes Seabrooks contract is bad but if he played like he did before signing it now you'd think it was a reasonable deal. He fell off it happens. The Toews and Kane contracts... what are you going to do pay a 3 time cup winner, conn smythe winner less then other top end players in the league. The cap was suppose to go up but when Canada went in a recession and the value of the dollar dropped revenue sharing which is generally supported by canadian teams decreased and hence less cap increase. Bowman is doing well. give him a few more years to right the ship.
                      25 janv. 2018 à 8 h 22
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                      @NickC1988
                      I mean there are things not on here both positive and negative. A few of the forgotten positives.
                      The 1st Johnny Oduya trade...a 2nd and 3rd for a 2nd pair dman that they NEEDED for two cups.
                      Cam Barker for Nick Leddy. The Cap made him trade Leddy away.
                      Glendening turned into Forsling...and Glendening.
                      Jeremy Morin turned into Panik.
                      a 4th round pick for Handzus.
                      He also did draft Kevin Hayes and got Panarin over other teams.

                      I mean I don't want to get rid of him at all. I truly and honestly believe his trades are good.......qualification........when he's not cap strapped. AND then his major downfall is that he's basically the reason they're cap strapped. He doesn't negotiation well with his own players... AT ALL. He signs guys for a ton of money and gives NMC/NTC clauses so when their contract is coming due....it's they leave for nothing or his in a weaker negotiating position. Seabrook, Kruger, Bickell, Panik...all players that got too much money and too much term.
                      25 janv. 2018 à 9 h 11
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                      @NickC1988
                      I mean there are things not on here both positive and negative. A few of the forgotten positives.
                      The 1st Johnny Oduya trade...a 2nd and 3rd for a 2nd pair dman that they NEEDED for two cups.
                      Cam Barker for Nick Leddy. The Cap made him trade Leddy away.
                      Glendening turned into Forsling...and Glendening.
                      Jeremy Morin turned into Panik.
                      a 4th round pick for Handzus.
                      He also did draft Kevin Hayes and got Panarin over other teams.

                      I mean I don't want to get rid of him at all. I truly and honestly believe his trades are good.......qualification........when he's not cap strapped. AND then his major downfall is that he's basically the reason they're cap strapped. He doesn't negotiation well with his own players... AT ALL. He signs guys for a ton of money and gives NMC/NTC clauses so when their contract is coming due....it's they leave for nothing or his in a weaker negotiating position. Seabrook, Kruger, Bickell, Panik...all players that got too much money and too much term.


                      I think another negative you may have forgotten is extending Anisimov before he's even played one game in a hawks uniform.
                      25 janv. 2018 à 9 h 18
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                      Quoting: NickC1988
                      I think another negative you may have forgotten is extending Anisimov before he's even played one game in a hawks uniform.


                      I don't think that's a terrible contract. He's 3rd/4th on the team in goals. He plays the only defense on that line. Kane sure doesn't. He's really the only player on the team that has consistent net front presence...yeah I'd say better than Toews this year. I wish Saad would go to the net more. $4.5M for a 2nd line center...that's a good deal! BUT I would agree the only reason he's capable of being a 2nd line center is Kane. So to me at least...it washes out as...fair contract.

                      ***EDIT*** Schmaltz is a very under-rated defender. Great back-checking ability
                      25 janv. 2018 à 9 h 22
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                      I don't think that's a terrible contract. He's 3rd/4th on the team in goals. He plays the only defense on that line. Kane sure doesn't. He's really the only player on the team that has consistent net front presence...yeah I'd say better than Toews this year. I wish Saad would go to the net more. $4.5M for a 2nd line center...that's a good deal! BUT I would agree the only reason he's capable of being a 2nd line center is Kane. So to me at least...it washes out as...fair contract.

                      ***EDIT*** Schmaltz is a very under-rated defender.

                      Schmaltz took over that 2C role, now Anisimov is outside of the top 6. Hawks look great on paper, terrible on ice. Playing hard the entire first period last night and losing doesn't surprise me anymore.
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                      25 janv. 2018 à 9 h 24
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                      Quoting: NickC1988
                      Schmaltz took over that 2C role, now Anisimov is outside of the top 6. Hawks look great on paper, terrible on ice. Playing hard the entire first period last night and losing doesn't surprise me anymore.


                      I very unfortunately wasn't able to watch last nights game. I hope he can stay the #2C then. He's a heck of a player.
                      25 janv. 2018 à 9 h 46
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                      I very unfortunately wasn't able to watch last nights game. I hope he can stay the #2C then. He's a heck of a player.


                      You don't want to watch it, it's pretty frustrating. No Rielly or Zaitsev and the hawks score 2 goals. Schmaltz is a good 2C, but the two best puck possession players (Schmaltz and Kane) are on the same line. It's the same offensive problem as last season, except it's Kane and Schmaltz and a lot more losses.
                       
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