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Holtby take

Créé par: nikeBauer4411
Équipe: 2018-19 Capitals de Washington
Date de création initiale: 3 avr. 2018
Publié: 3 avr. 2018
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Légende
Gaucher
Équipe initiale
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Droitier
Position
Clause d'échange
Max. Bonis de perf.
Statut à l’échéance du contrat
Terme restant
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Exempté du ballottageMcDavid, Connor
12 500 000 $ (Bonis de performance250 000 $)
C
NMC
UFA - 5
Description
Holtby's real value and most likely landing spot.
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
2900 000 $
43 500 000 $
42 500 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
31 000 000 $
21 000 000 $
67 500 000 $
Samsonov, _
3925 000 $
21 500 000 $
Transactions
WSH
  1. Beauvillier, Anthony
Détails additionnels:
2018 1st
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2019
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2020
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2021
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2480 000 000 $64 368 462 $82 500 $1 312 500 $15 631 538 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
9 538 462 $9 538 462 $
AG
M-NTC
UFA - 3
3 900 000 $3 900 000 $
C
UFA - 7
2 500 000 $2 500 000 $
AD
UFA - 6
894 167 $894 167 $ (Bonis de performance212 500 $$212K)
AD, AG
UFA - 1
6 700 000 $6 700 000 $
C
M-NTC
UFA - 2
5 750 000 $5 750 000 $
AD
M-NTC
UFA - 7
863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance600 000 $$600K)
AG
UFA - 1
2 415 000 $2 415 000 $
C
UFA - 5
3 000 000 $3 000 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
925 000 $925 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 1
1 500 000 $1 500 000 $
C
UFA - 4
1 500 000 $1 500 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
650 000 $650 000 $
AG
UFA - 1
650 000 $650 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 1
1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
AD
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
1 275 000 $1 275 000 $
DG
UFA - 5
7 500 000 $7 500 000 $
DD
UFA - 8
1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
DG
UFA - 4
5 750 000 $5 750 000 $
DD
M-NTC
UFA - 3
1 000 000 $1 000 000 $ (Bonis de performance500 000 $$500K)
DG
NTC
UFA - 1
900 000 $900 000 $
DD
UFA - 2
3 500 000 $3 500 000 $
G
UFA - 3
650 000 $650 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
Samsonov, _
925 000 $925 000 $

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3 avr. 2018 à 15 h 24
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My question is to Caps fans: how can you be certain that Grubauer can handle a starting role? All these trade offers remind me of when CHI fans were going wild trading Crawford at peak value and replacing him with Darling. Now Darling is seriously underperforming and getting paid 4.15m for 3 more years. And CHI blows bc they lost Crawford to injury.

I think you're lucky to have Holtby - he's consistently a great starter and he's having a down year which he will almost undoubtedly bounce back from. It might be better to trade Gruby - he's at peak value right now and he could be someone else's problem at 3.5m x 4 years if he can't handle the starting job. Then, Samsonov replaces Holtby if he's ready.
3 avr. 2018 à 15 h 30
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Quoting: A_K
My question is to Caps fans: how can you be certain that Grubauer can handle a starting role? All these trade offers remind me of when CHI fans were going wild trading Crawford at peak value and replacing him with Darling. Now Darling is seriously underperforming and getting paid 4.15m for 3 more years. And CHI blows bc they lost Crawford to injury.

I think you're lucky to have Holtby - he's consistently a great starter and he's having a down year which he will almost undoubtedly bounce back from. It might be better to trade Gruby - he's at peak value right now and he could be someone else's problem at 3.5m x 4 years if he can't handle the starting job. Then, Samsonov replaces Holtby if he's ready.


Not saying I disagree and I am not a caps "fan' but just wanted to show a realistic value for him.
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3 avr. 2018 à 17 h 19
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Quoting: A_K
My question is to Caps fans: how can you be certain that Grubauer can handle a starting role? All these trade offers remind me of when CHI fans were going wild trading Crawford at peak value and replacing him with Darling. Now Darling is seriously underperforming and getting paid 4.15m for 3 more years. And CHI blows bc they lost Crawford to injury.

I think you're lucky to have Holtby - he's consistently a great starter and he's having a down year which he will almost undoubtedly bounce back from. It might be better to trade Gruby - he's at peak value right now and he could be someone else's problem at 3.5m x 4 years if he can't handle the starting job. Then, Samsonov replaces Holtby if he's ready.


I appreciate your attempt to provide us a voice of reason, and I agree that with Grubauer overperforming expectations, it makes more sense to trade Grubauer unless a fantastic offer comes along.

However, if your argument is that the Hawks shouldn't have made a huge trade, to get back loads of talent for Crawford, because now his career might be over, and they are loads of talent short of the playoffs, then it sounds to me like they should have traded Crawford.

The Caps have three prospects who might each be good enough to play twenty NHL games next year (Vanecek whom they drafted after a surprise silver medal in a WJC, Copley whom they traded in a package for Oshie, and traded back for, and Samsonov, their recent first round pick who did okay as a starter this year in the KHL, and of course Grubuaer has played 34 games this year and done well. If they take advantage of waiver exemptions and injury replacements, and play whoever's hot, they just need a free agent to play about thirty games, decently, and that shouldn't cost more than about 1.2m. Holtby's cap hit of 6.1 might go up in a couple more years, and it would be worth it for a team that wants a solid starting goalie, who has 33 wins this year. I think the Caps are concerned with how to beat the Penguins, who have knocked them out of the last couple playoffs with insane forward depth, so saving 4.9M or so in goal seems like a way to add a good forward, or keep John Carlson.
3 avr. 2018 à 17 h 29
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Quoting: A_K
My question is to Caps fans: how can you be certain that Grubauer can handle a starting role? All these trade offers remind me of when CHI fans were going wild trading Crawford at peak value and replacing him with Darling. Now Darling is seriously underperforming and getting paid 4.15m for 3 more years. And CHI blows bc they lost Crawford to injury.

I think you're lucky to have Holtby - he's consistently a great starter and he's having a down year which he will almost undoubtedly bounce back from. It might be better to trade Gruby - he's at peak value right now and he could be someone else's problem at 3.5m x 4 years if he can't handle the starting job. Then, Samsonov replaces Holtby if he's ready.


Good point about Grubauer, but I think fans are reasoning that they probably can't sign Carlsson unless they move out a large contract, and with Holtby being outplayed this year and Samsonov coming over this summer, he seems like an obvious candidate for a trade. I don't think they are saying that Grubauer is better than Holtby, but a cheaper (just-about-as-good) placeholder until the heir-apparent takes the reins. This way they can retain Carlsson too.
3 avr. 2018 à 17 h 35
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Quoting: Eli
I appreciate your attempt to provide us a voice of reason, and I agree that with Grubauer overperforming expectations, it makes more sense to trade Grubauer unless a fantastic offer comes along.

However, if your argument is that the Hawks shouldn't have made a huge trade, to get back loads of talent for Crawford, because now his career might be over, and they are loads of talent short of the playoffs, then it sounds to me like they should have traded Crawford.

The Caps have three prospects who might each be good enough to play twenty NHL games next year (Vanecek whom they drafted after a surprise silver medal in a WJC, Copley whom they traded in a package for Oshie, and traded back for, and Samsonov, their recent first round pick who did okay as a starter this year in the KHL, and of course Grubuaer has played 34 games this year and done well. If they take advantage of waiver exemptions and injury replacements, and play whoever's hot, they just need a free agent to play about thirty games, decently, and that shouldn't cost more than about 1.2m. Holtby's cap hit of 6.1 might go up in a couple more years, and it would be worth it for a team that wants a solid starting goalie, who has 33 wins this year. I think the Caps are concerned with how to beat the Penguins, who have knocked them out of the last couple playoffs with insane forward depth, so saving 4.9M or so in goal seems like a way to add a good forward, or keep John Carlson.


Injuries are unpredictable, you can't use the current knowledge of his injury to justify that Crawford should've been traded at the time. That's not really fair.

If you think you can piece together a group of goalie prospects, a backup, and a UFA and achieve the same success you would with Holtby, I'd argue that his trade value can't be that high. By that logic, couldn't the Isles just ride the hot hand of Greiss/Soderstrom/Chris Gibson/cheap UFA - that way they can keep a rising player like Beauvillier and use their ~8th overall pick to grab an impactful prospect?
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