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Granlund TDL Discussion

Créé par: yikes
Équipe: 2023-24 Sharks de San Jose
Date de création initiale: 14 déc. 2023
Publié: 14 déc. 2023
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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12 500 000 $ (Bonis de performance250 000 $)
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UFA - 5
Description
Read the descriptions of the trades before referencing the actual trades - up for discussion not trades made as statements.
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LISTE DE RÉSERVEANSCAP HIT
1800 000 $
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1.
SJS
    Granlunds first 13 games as a Shark were rocky, not amazing play and his totals:
    13 games
    4 assists
    0 goals
    10 pointless games

    ——

    Grandlunds last 9 games, he’s looked phenomenal, his play starting improving right after the Grier locker room talk. It’s not just points it’s also how he looks. His totals:
    9 games
    15 points
    5 multi point games (two 3 point games)
    3 goals
    1 pointless game

    In 22 games Granlund has 19 points. He’s around (under tho) a 70 point pace. It Granlund is retained, @50%, he should return easily over a first+ at 2.5m aav for 1 more year (2 playoff runs).

    Lars Eller (obviously a rounded player, not just points) had 16 points in 60 games. Returned a 2nd last TDL. Jordan Greenway had 7 points in 45 and returned OVER a 2nd.

    Tyler Bertuzzi, had injury problems, was a UFA, and cost basically the same AAV as Granlund (but Granlund has 1 more year). Bertuzzi had 14 points in 30 games (obviously a different player). He received a first and fourth.

    My guess is; I’d Granlund, let’s say reaches the TDL with the following Statline - which would have a slight reduction in his current performance/ pace included (to be safe):

    Let’s say 50 games played (rested and needs some games for healing):
    And let’s even reduce his points by a handful.

    37 points in 50 games. 2 years/ 2 playoff runs @2.5m AAV. Plays center and wing, has shown speed and agility with some amazing play and puck work.

    What teams are going to be willing to offer a first + prospect?
    If you disagree sure but if all you say his “guy sucks” well his play suggests otherwise. So let’s discuss who and what?
    COL
    2.
    SJS
    1. Gulyayev, Mikhail [Liste de réserve]
    2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (COL)
    Détails additionnels:
    KHL won’t play till 2026

    Not selecting any teams top 5 prospects.

    Idk if the AV’s are going to be in the market to be big buyers, idk why just a gut feeling.
    COL
      Granlund 2.5m AAV x 2y
      3.
      SJS
        I like the NYR fit a lot. More then the AVs by a mile.
        I think the Rags not only are going to be buyers, but they’re looking for a cup. The Metro is a gongshow (not in a positive way) and if they pull the Flyers they’re laughing to the 2nd round, basically a buy.

        I’ve got 2 proposals for the Rangers.
        NYR
          Granlund 2.5m AAV x 2y
          4.
          SJS
          1. Sýkora, Adam
          2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (NYR)
          Détails additionnels:
          I think Grier would target Sykora, even take a discount. Let’s see how to make this work, a 1st and Sykora seems too costly, so a conditional 2nd to be a first if the Rangers make the SCF and Granlund players 50%?
          NYR
            Granlund 2.5m AAV x 2y
            5.
            SJS
            1. Goodrow, Barclay
            2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (NYR)
            Détails additionnels:
            To be simple let’s keep the last trades framework. But now, let’s argue the Rangers want to move Goodrow, Granlund comes cheaper and better, and gives them a little $$$ to have more wiggle room in the offseason with resigning.
            Now Goodrow never will be a waste in my eyes but financially he’s a burden if the Rangers also see they could use his term off the books. Now the Rangers need to add. Does this work better
            Adam Sykora
            *lottery protected 2024 first*
            *Conditional 2024 2nd round pick (NYR) if the Rags make the ECF?*
            Too much??
            NYR
              Granlund 2.5m AAV x 2y (50% retained)
              6.
              SJS
              COL
              1. Gulyayev, Mikhail
              2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (COL)
              Détails additionnels:
              I don’t think the AV’s want to bid with the Rangers. I think:

              Goodrow
              Sykora
              Conditional 2nd
              Protected first

              Granlund 50% starts to make way more sense
              7.
              SJS
                Would they bid on Granlund?
                VGK
                8.
                SJS
                  Granlund also looks like a perfect fit here?
                  Would EDM try to make cap room?
                  EDM
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                  2183 500 000 $82 014 168 $25 000 $1 145 000 $1 485 832 $
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                  3 000 000 $3 000 000 $
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                  5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
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                  UFA - 2
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                  1 450 000 $1 450 000 $
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                  863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
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                  UFA - 1
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                  UFA - 4
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                  DG/DD
                  UFA - 1
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                  3 250 000 $3 250 000 $
                  DG
                  UFA - 3
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                  DG/DD
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                  G
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                  DG/DD
                  UFA - 2
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                  UFA - 2
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                  912 500 $912 500 $ (Bonis de performance212 500 $$212K)
                  DG
                  RFA - 1
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                  825 000 $825 000 $
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                  RFA - 1
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                  800 000 $800 000 $
                  AG, AD
                  UFA - 2
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                  7 000 000 $7 000 000 $
                  DG/DD
                  M-NTC
                  UFA - 3
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                  8 000 000 $8 000 000 $
                  C
                  M-NTC
                  UFA - 4
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                  1 250 000 $1 250 000 $
                  DD
                  UFA - 3
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                  2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
                  C
                  UFA - 2
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                  DD
                  RFA - 1
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                  775 000 $775 000 $
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                  14 déc. 2023 à 15 h 23
                  #1
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                  Easy no for the Avs at that price.
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                  14 déc. 2023 à 15 h 24
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                  He's probably worth a 2nd.
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                  14 déc. 2023 à 15 h 24
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                  I’d probably do the Goodrow trade. Maybe add another pick to try and get Barb/Duclair
                  14 déc. 2023 à 15 h 24
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                  Quoting: TJTwolf
                  Easy no for the Avs at that price.


                  Yeah I stated in the post I don’t think the Avs are going to do anything major at TDL. They just seem more up in the air on what they’re shopping for
                  14 déc. 2023 à 15 h 25
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                  Quoting: Rags21
                  I’d probably do the Goodrow trade. Maybe add another pick to try and get Barb/Duclair


                  I think SJS wants to keep Duke and the rangers don’t have many other picks to add to get Duke - felt too complicated without involving a quantity of picks/ another prospect.

                  Quoting: DRW2025
                  He's probably worth a 2nd.


                  Way worse players, less term, traded for more last year - so hard disagree if what I outlined happens with Granlund. Hes currently near a .90 pace and I reduced it to .73 to be modest, and removed more games of his totals for “injury/ healing time”. Bertuzzi had .50 and was a UFA for a first and fourth.
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