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Kubalik vs Joseph

Créé par: PLDGEY
Équipe: 2023-24 Sénateurs d'Ottawa
Date de création initiale: 1 août 2023
Publié: 1 août 2023
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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Description
When it comes to making cap space, unfortunately we cannot undo the mistake of re-signing Hamonic.

Unfortunately, that leaves us to move one of Joseph or Kubalik.

To dump Joseph's ~9M over 3 years will cost OTT at least a 2nd.

IMHO, we just added a shoot first winger, leaving Kubalik fairly redundant.

I would rather sell Kubalik for a 2nd, than pay a 2nd to dump Joseph. IMHO, Joseph is likely to regress to a 10-15 goal guy with better defensive metrics than Kubalik.
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RFAANSCAP HIT
11 900 000 $
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  1. Hamonic, Travis
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Fuck this signing. Literally the 1.1M stopping OTT from signing Pinto
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2083 500 000 $80 904 047 $0 $1 850 000 $2 595 953 $
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1 août 2023 à 17 h 32
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Al-Tintin1122
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Move Joseph. Sign Pius Suter, Gregor , Heinen , Kessel or Brassard for minimum
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1 août 2023 à 17 h 36
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I'm not an OTT fan, but I do agree with your approach. There aren't a ton of teams out there that can even take Mathieu let alone want to pay his...THREE years of...inflated cap hit...with additionally inflated salary. It's a lot to put on another team. It'll be too expensive. If I were Dorion I'd also open up the dialog with Brannstrom and see if anyone's interested there. Give Kleven some time. Keeping Pinto is in OTT's best interest.
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1 août 2023 à 19 h 27
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Quoting: AlTintin1122
Move Joseph. Sign Pius Suter, Gregor , Heinen , Kessel or Brassard for minimum


Do you think the difference between Joseph and Kubalik is two 2nd round picks? What is Kubalik going to want on his next contract?

I like a few of those vet min options
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1 août 2023 à 20 h 40
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Quoting: PLDGEY
Do you think the difference between Joseph and Kubalik is two 2nd round picks? What is Kubalik going to want on his next contract?

I like a few of those vet min options


Ignoring contracts, who is the better player? If you say Joseph, ok, keep him. But if it's Kubalik, then why trade him?

The cap space freed goes to Pinto. Not much room to do anything else. Let's say you trade Kuba because you didn't want to lose a 2nd, not because Joz is better. So you saved a 2nd and got another one for trading Kubalik. What are you doing with that? Can't trade them for a now player because there's no cap room. So are you gonna draft a player that may or may not turn into an NHL player in 4/5 years? How does that help us make the playoffs this year?

The argument of we don't need a scoring winger because we just signed one only makes sense if they are on the same line. Bottom 6 needs more scoring. If kubalik plays there, it helps us. Yes, Joz has value beyond scoring, but for 3m, he needs a hell of a bounce back.

The Hamonic signing was necessary. We need depth. Injuries happen. Hamonic is a good 7D, you know what you're getting. I rather have him than Lassi, as who knows what Lassi is right now. Hammer is good on the PK, blocks shots, and heck, had 3x more goals that Brannstrom, while not being an offensive defenseman. And we need to carry a spare D, while our top prospects develop in the AHL.
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2 août 2023 à 7 h 28
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Ignoring contracts, who is the better player? If you say Joseph, ok, keep him. But if it's Kubalik, then why trade him?

The cap space freed goes to Pinto. Not much room to do anything else. Let's say you trade Kuba because you didn't want to lose a 2nd, not because Joz is better. So you saved a 2nd and got another one for trading Kubalik. What are you doing with that? Can't trade them for a now player because there's no cap room. So are you gonna draft a player that may or may not turn into an NHL player in 4/5 years? How does that help us make the playoffs this year?

The argument of we don't need a scoring winger because we just signed one only makes sense if they are on the same line. Bottom 6 needs more scoring. If kubalik plays there, it helps us. Yes, Joz has value beyond scoring, but for 3m, he needs a hell of a bounce back.

The Hamonic signing was necessary. We need depth. Injuries happen. Hamonic is a good 7D, you know what you're getting. I rather have him than Lassi, as who knows what Lassi is right now. Hammer is good on the PK, blocks shots, and heck, had 3x more goals that Brannstrom, while not being an offensive defenseman. And we need to carry a spare D, while our top prospects develop in the AHL.


Jospeh is better defensively, Kubalik is better offensively, idealy keeping both on the 3rd line would be good, but OTT is screwed by the 5M dead cap this year
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