Hopeful

8 years? Probably 10 which sucks for us but we should have a really good team at that point.

2016 was the last playoff appearance, 2013 the last time they had a legit chance to win it all. That is what I meant lol. But yes you are right, probably another 2 years before they look like a threat to make some noise.

Veleno will resign . Yzerman likes him and he is a good 4th line center and getting better. give him a few competent wingers. We don't want Debrincat for assets and long term overpay. He is not the mold Yzerman really wants and he wont overpay. Plus Debrincat plays below average defense -31 this year . especially when Stutzle was only like -3

I am personally pretty torn on wanting Debrincat. On one hand, I get excited when talks seem to heat up and know he makes us a more exciting team during the season. On another hand, I question if he truly helps us win (playoff series) due to size, defence, grittiness question marks. On top of the assets we will have to give up and cap space on top of that. I'm on the side of it that if we can get him for a 1st and Kubalik (no prospects like Berggren or Mazur) and sign him to 5x7, I happily have him. But still would have the same question marks. If the deals aren't that peachy (more likely), then I become more weary on whether it will pay off in the long run.

I like you sir, I feel like we would enjoy a Labatt blue or 7.