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4 Line Conics

Créé par: Victor24
Équipe: 2023-24 Penguins de Pittsburgh
Date de création initiale: 16 avr. 2023
Publié: 16 avr. 2023
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Légende
Gaucher
Équipe initiale
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Droitier
Position
Clause d'échange
Max. Bonis de perf.
Statut à l’échéance du contrat
Terme restant
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Exempté du ballottageMcDavid, Connor
12 500 000 $ (Bonis de performance250 000 $)
C
NMC
UFA - 5
Description
The Penguins need 4 lines
1st - Scoring and can start anywhere
All have good possession numbers, keep Crosby with Rakell. See if Puustinen can keep his AHL numbers in the NHL

2nd - Scoring and start in offensive zone
Malkin and Zucker stay together with Granlund who can score but has bad possession numbers. Offensive starts mostly to keep Malkin fresh and limit Zucker's usage

3rd - Scoring and can start anywhere
Keep Guentzel with Rust and insert Toews. All have great possession numbers. Toews is a great face-off player so they can start in the offensive zone or defensive zone and can play against any opposing line.

4th - Shutdown start in defensive zone
Stepan is good at face offs and has good possession numbers. O'Conner and Nylander have good defensive numbers and can score. Not as grinding of a 4th line as I would like but they have good numbers and can score some.

1/2 Defense - Petterson has developed into a good stay at home defenseman which allows Letang to take risks

3/4 Defense - Hanafin would be used a little less and hopefully his possession numbers increase with Smith, who has great numbers in a small sample size

5/6 Defense - POJ and Shatt have good possession numbers. Both would do better with a little sheltering.

Goalies - Jarry is good when he's good but hurt and occasionally ineffective. He is worth the small risk based on talent. DeSmith is a fine backup. Lyon is depth if Jarry gets hurt.
Forward Depth - Poulin, Hallander, Legare, Gruden
Defense Depth - Ruw, Fried, Stone
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
1850 000 $
1850 000 $
1850 000 $
1850 000 $
1850 000 $
1850 000 $
11 150 000 $
1900 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
44 500 000 $
25 000 000 $
34 000 000 $
11 000 000 $
11 000 000 $
14 000 000 $
11 000 000 $
Transactions
1.
PIT
  1. Choix de 5e ronde en 2023 (TOR)
TOR
  1. Carter, Jeff (1 500 000 $ retained)
Détails additionnels:
Carter is definitely at the end of his career but he gets around 10 goals, 25 points per season and wins faveoffs at 60%. For 1.5MM he would be good in Tor 4th line C.
2.
PIT
  1. Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (DAL)
DAL
  1. Petry, Jeff (1 500 000 $ retained)
Détails additionnels:
Petry isn't a fit in Pittsburgh. Dallas needs a RD defenseman. His underlying possession numbers are ok but historically have been really good.
3.
PIT
  1. Hanifin, Noah
Détails additionnels:
Noah's possession numbers have dipped a lot this year, making him the odd man out.
CGY
  1. Poehling, Ryan [Droits de RFA]
  2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (PIT)
  3. Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (DAL)
Détails additionnels:
Calgary has a surplus of dmen and could use a guy with middle six potential and some picks.
4.
PIT
ARI
  1. Rutta, Jan
  2. Choix de 5e ronde en 2023 (TOR)
  3. Choix de 3e ronde en 2024 (VGK)
Détails additionnels:
Rutta has bad possession numbers. Doesn't block shots. Doesn't hit.
Rachats de contrats
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2383 500 000 $77 004 342 $0 $0 $6 495 658 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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850 000 $850 000 $
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UFA - 1
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8 700 000 $8 700 000 $
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NMC
UFA - 2
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5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
AD, AG
M-NTC
UFA - 5
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4 500 000 $4 500 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
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6 100 000 $6 100 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 3
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5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 2
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4 500 000 $4 500 000 $
AG, AD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
C
UFA
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5 125 000 $5 125 000 $
AD, AG
NMC
UFA - 5
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900 000 $900 000 $
AG
UFA - 2
1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
C, AD
UFA
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850 000 $850 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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4 025 175 $4 025 175 $
DG
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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6 100 000 $6 100 000 $
DD
NMC
UFA - 5
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4 000 000 $4 000 000 $
G
UFA - 5
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1 237 500 $1 237 500 $
DG
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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1 150 000 $1 150 000 $
DG/DD
RFA - 1
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1 800 000 $1 800 000 $
G
UFA - 1
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825 000 $825 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
4 000 000 $4 000 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
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850 000 $850 000 $
C
RFA
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800 000 $800 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
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775 000 $775 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 1

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16 avr. 2023 à 16 h 47
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I’ve gotta say this is probably the most unique one I’ve seen yet and there’s a lot to like but a lot to question.

First, where’s Poulin stay in all of this? Also, I’m not sure how both Toews and the Pens would feel about paying him that amount for third line minutes; I’d assume he wants a championship and goes to a team where his ideal role can be fulfilled and he can play top line or at least top 6 minutes. Unless in this case maybe you switch the 2nd and 3rd lines and have Malkin play 3C with his defensive liabilities being in question?

I don’t hate the Hanifin move but I don’t love it. We are trading arguably one of our best acquisitions of the season in Poehling and 2 seconds for a $5m dman with just 1 year left on his contract which will either A; need an extension that could kill us or B; not want to sign and goes and walks in free agency and we look stupid for trading 2 seconds for that.

Other then those couple issues I don’t think there’s really much to complain about here other then Shattenkirk’s $4m contract to play on the third pair, we could replace that with a more serviceable and cheaper option to free up more cap.

Overall, I like the idea of this and how deep this team is though there are some issues. Def one of the better ones I’ve seen though. 👍
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16 avr. 2023 à 17 h 23
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I’ve gotta say this is probably the most unique one I’ve seen yet and there’s a lot to like but a lot to question.

First, where’s Poulin stay in all of this? Also, I’m not sure how both Toews and the Pens would feel about paying him that amount for third line minutes; I’d assume he wants a championship and goes to a team where his ideal role can be fulfilled and he can play top line or at least top 6 minutes. Unless in this case maybe you switch the 2nd and 3rd lines and have Malkin play 3C with his defensive liabilities being in question?

I don’t hate the Hanifin move but I don’t love it. We are trading arguably one of our best acquisitions of the season in Poehling and 2 seconds for a $5m dman with just 1 year left on his contract which will either A; need an extension that could kill us or B; not want to sign and goes and walks in free agency and we look stupid for trading 2 seconds for that.

Other then those couple issues I don’t think there’s really much to complain about here other then Shattenkirk’s $4m contract to play on the third pair, we could replace that with a more serviceable and cheaper option to free up more cap.

Overall, I like the idea of this and how deep this team is though there are some issues. Def one of the better ones I’ve seen though. 👍


Thanks. I tried to base everything off advanced stats.

For Poulin, I want to put him in but thought it would be best for him to start in the minors. He lost time with mental health stuff and I wanted to ease him in. If one of the other rookies falter, he can replace them.

Toews would be getting 10MM over two ÿears. He would also be a good litmus test to see of Guentzel can be great away from Sid but with a capable center. That third line would be top on possession numbers on the NHL. The Pens can also promise to move him up for Sid or Gino if they get hurt. And they can promise to trade him to a contender if they fall off. His numbers will likely be great with Guentzel and Rust. Also his contract would fall in line with Sids so he would fall in their believed window. He won't get that amount of money on a sure fire contender.

Hanafin is a decent defenseman who is a bounce back candidate. Both seconds are likely to be low. I am not as big on Poe. His possession numbers are bad. I don't see a spot for him on this roster. There is the risk of Hanafin leaving but if his underlying numbers continue, the Pens don't want him long term. It's a risk.

As for Shattenkirk, his possession numbers are very good and in a semi sheltered 3rd line role, he could really help POJ. It is an overpay but I really didn't need the cap room anywhere else.
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16 avr. 2023 à 17 h 36
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Yeah thats not getting you Hanifin. Try again with a real offer
16 avr. 2023 à 17 h 39
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Thanks. I tried to base everything off advanced stats.

For Poulin, I want to put him in but thought it would be best for him to start in the minors. He lost time with mental health stuff and I wanted to ease him in. If one of the other rookies falter, he can replace them.

Toews would be getting 10MM over two ÿears. He would also be a good litmus test to see of Guentzel can be great away from Sid but with a capable center. That third line would be top on possession numbers on the NHL. The Pens can also promise to move him up for Sid or Gino if they get hurt. And they can promise to trade him to a contender if they fall off. His numbers will likely be great with Guentzel and Rust. Also his contract would fall in line with Sids so he would fall in their believed window. He won't get that amount of money on a sure fire contender.

Hanafin is a decent defenseman who is a bounce back candidate. Both seconds are likely to be low. I am not as big on Poe. His possession numbers are bad. I don't see a spot for him on this roster. There is the risk of Hanafin leaving but if his underlying numbers continue, the Pens don't want him long term. It's a risk.

As for Shattenkirk, his possession numbers are very good and in a semi sheltered 3rd line role, he could really help POJ. It is an overpay but I really didn't need the cap room anywhere else.


Understandable, overall though my biggest concern with this roster would be the age group of all these guys, adding guys like Toews and Stepan on the tail ends of their careers just slows down the team more. Though don’t get me wrong this is a very solid roster, I could realistically see this team winning a fair share of games next season and finishing in a comfortable playoff spot; most likely around 3rd? Lots of scoring, depth, defense looks solid and controlled, Jarry healthy and the limitless veteran presence around the team will surely be a help to the young guns. I like the Puustinen idea and am interested to see how that will turn out but as you said, we have other rookies in line if that plan ended up not working. The Hanifin deal is a big question mark for me though.
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16 avr. 2023 à 17 h 45
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Understandable, overall though my biggest concern with this roster would be the age group of all these guys, adding guys like Toews and Stepan on the tail ends of their careers just slows down the team more. Though don’t get me wrong this is a very solid roster, I could realistically see this team winning a fair share of games next season and finishing in a comfortable playoff spot; most likely around 3rd? Lots of scoring, depth, defense looks solid and controlled, Jarry healthy and the limitless veteran presence around the team will surely be a help to the young guns. I like the Puustinen idea and am interested to see how that will turn out but as you said, we have other rookies in line if that plan ended up not working. The Hanifin deal is a big question mark for me though.


Yes but it hedges bets. If the Pens are good and a player isn't performing, he can be replaced. If the Pens aren't good and an older player is playing well, the Pens can eat half of his cap and get a return. If the Pens aren't good and the vets aren't playing well, most will be gone in a year or two.

I understand your reservations, as I would share them. But this is the best team that could be assembled using advanced stats, IMO.
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