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Meier wo extension at TDL - QO outlook worst case

Créé par: vikhodush
Équipe: 2023-24 Hurricanes de la Caroline
Date de création initiale: 15 févr. 2023
Publié: 15 févr. 2023
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Description
Purpose of this is to look at worst case if the Canes went after Timo without extension talks happening as part of the initial trade. Wanted to see what Timo's QO would look like if they couldn't strike a long-term extension and didn't want to trade him either. I think this proves it's easily workable, although obviously not ideal.

The following year (2 years really) are where things could get trickier as a lot of core guys are due raises, but I still think the Canes maintain a ton of flexibility and can make it work. In two years you'd need (conservative estimates, let me know if you feel differently):

Aho + 2m, Necas + 4m, Jarvis +3m (bridge deal), Pesce +3m, Skjei +2m, Chat +2m = 16m for important pieces.

You'll have an extra 5m from the cap, 1.8m from Marty, 5.4m if you let Turbo walk = a little over 12m. If they were to keep Meier somehow long term after that (would be weird if he doesn't agree to a long-term deal before QO but does the following season), you'd probably get 1-1.5m AAV savings there. So we'd probably need to let somebody else like Skjei go which would be fine if Nikishin actually does come over in 2 years. Or, you could use Meier's 10m and now you have 22m, or 17m if you extend Turbo at a similar rate instead.

So it seems like there are plenty of options whether Timo extends or signs a QO with us both next year and when raises are due for our core. We could also trade him during offseason to recoup some of the assets we spent on him.

Let me know if I missed anything in my breakdown above or didn't factor something in properly. Was just an exercise to see how this would play out because I'm honestly bored out of my mind waiting for something to go down :)
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  1. Meier, Timo [Droits de RFA]
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  1. Morrow, Scott [Liste de réserve]
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15 févr. 2023 à 12 h 55
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Even without the extension I think he goes for more. He's already reached 30 goals on the year. Late 1st, okay prospect and next years 2nd probably wouldn't do it or Carolina would have this done by now. Honestly even the QO for him which I believe is 95% of his salary so 9.5m is not outrageous for him. So you do get him for an extra year no matter what. Worst case scenario you deal him to a team at the draft for a 1st++ who can afford him. Not sure everyone sees how valuable he truly is especially as an RFA
15 févr. 2023 à 13 h 0
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I don’t think Morrow is considered a ‘okay prospect’. I think the scouting community at large would view him in an upper tier of high upside RHD prospects.

NJ has already said they want an extension first, and what are they going to give up realistically? A similar 1st + Holtz? I highly suspect they come off of their D prospects…they are going to need those guys on their ELCs in the coming years.

Vegas doesn’t have prospects and picks to trade unless they give up Brisson which I’m not clear they will.

Toronto - Knies??? Robertson??? Will they even trade their first? Will it be the end of Nylander after next year if they re-sign Meier.

Quoting: In_it_to_winnik
Even without the extension I think he goes for more. He's already reached 30 goals on the year. Late 1st, okay prospect and next years 2nd probably wouldn't do it or Carolina would have this done by now. Honestly even the QO for him which I believe is 95% of his salary so 9.5m is not outrageous for him. So you do get him for an extra year no matter what. Worst case scenario you deal him to a team at the draft for a 1st++ who can afford him. Not sure everyone sees how valuable he truly is especially as an RFA
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15 févr. 2023 à 13 h 2
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Even without the extension I think he goes for more. He's already reached 30 goals on the year. Late 1st, okay prospect and next years 2nd probably wouldn't do it or Carolina would have this done by now. Honestly even the QO for him which I believe is 95% of his salary so 9.5m is not outrageous for him. So you do get him for an extra year no matter what. Worst case scenario you deal him to a team at the draft for a 1st++ who can afford him. Not sure everyone sees how valuable he truly is especially as an RFA


Agree with most of it but morrow is considered substantially more than an okay prospect. I’m sure you could tweak the offer a bit but that would be the core of it. Basing it off of Fiala or Cat and it’s in that ballpark.
15 févr. 2023 à 13 h 26
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SJ should jump on that
It's a no brainer for me

NJ could offer : Holtz + 1st + Bahl
CAR : Morrow + 1st + PHI 2nd

Do you want a really good forward prospect or defenseman prospect

You choose from there IMO
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15 févr. 2023 à 13 h 30
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SJ should jump on that
It's a no brainer for me

NJ could offer : Holtz + 1st + Bahl
CAR : Morrow + 1st + PHI 2nd

Do you want a really good forward prospect or defenseman prospect

You choose from there IMO


I’ve asked that question on here to SJS fans and seems they’d rather go for D prospect. Not sure how much higher they’d rank Holtz compared to morrow when you factor in positional preferences.
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