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Forum: Toronto Maple Leafsil y a 1 heure
Sujet: Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 7 - Shambles
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>oneX</b></div><div>I'm taking the whole playoff history into account not just the Keefe ERA or Babcock ERA.

You can only use the coach excuse so much because when Marner and Matthews make as much $$$ there needs to be some self pride there to bring it regardless of what the situation is.</div></div>

Matthews gives it his all, no question. So does Marner I am sure but he's a pretty fragile guy so once things start turning on him, they get really bad.

Also using their first few playoff rounds when they were in their first few seasons is just not wise. Same with using different coaches. Too many variables. When trying to find causation you want to eliminate as many variables as possible to find root causes.

For the leafs in the Matthews era, many problems have come and gone. And all have certain degrees of impact. One constant in the Keefe era is the team can't score in the playoffs. They get figured out and their game plan goes to ****.

Credit does need to be given to Swayman and Boston for defending well. It wasn't going to be easy to score on them. Especially when the best goal scorer in the game was sick/hurt. Expecting TO to score a lot was ridiculous. Should have scored more for sure but it was going to be low scoring games.

Fire the coaching staff
Forum: Toronto Maple Leafsil y a 2 heures
Sujet: Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 7 - Shambles
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>oneX</b></div><div>Here's my backup to your point: Imagine where Edmonton and Colorado would be if the likes of McDavid/Draisaitl, MacKinnon/Makar were putting up numbers that Matthews and Marner have these playoffs and past playoffs.

Our top players are paid similar to what other top players around the league make so the production offensively and defensively has to match that of other players around the league.</div></div>

Marner had 9 points in 7 games vs the Bruins back when Babs was the coach. New coach comes in and no one in TO can score.

Our team does what the coach says and it doesn't work.

Keefe is gone.

If you can trade Marner and find value, then I think you can make a strong argument to do so. If it's a trade you lose cleanly, just keep him. JT's money, or most of it will go to the next wave of young guys coming up. Cowan and Minten are going to be really good players along with Knies. The team has good depth, especially if you can resign Domi at 4 or under for 4 years or so.

So fire the coaching staff, get a better replacement. That's the first major step needed. Who knows if it works. I don't believe these guys don't have it in them to win. But the team never scores.
Forum: Armchair-GMil y a 3 heures
Sujet: Marner And Keefe For Sullivan And Karlsson
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>KingExLeafs</b></div><div>Yea, the coach should have removed Rielly and Marner from PP1. He didn't asjust.

Hopefully Keefe, Marner and Rielly are done as Leafs. We have to wait one more year for JT to go.</div></div>

Rielly is great, get control of your emotions. He didn't have a good series especially on the power play but no one did. Fire Keefe.

Marner could be traded but I wouldn't unless it's something I feel is fair value. What you have proposed is crap value. You're mad at him and so you irrationally lower his value to appease your feelings. Just let it go. He's a 100 point Selke finalist. He's an elite player.

Get a coach in here who has proven he can get a team to score in the playoffs and then see how it goes. This is a good team, being out coached all the time needs to stop.
Forum: Armchair-GMil y a 3 heures
Forum: Armchair-GMil y a 5 heures
Sujet: Marner And Keefe For Sullivan And Karlsson
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>KingExLeafs</b></div><div>Leafs get the better coach and a true PP QB. What's bad about that?</div></div>

Karlsson is old, his best days are behind him. He's half the player Marner is. I know you are seeing red and logic is gone but take a deep breath an think about it.

Who has scored under Keefe in the playoffs? No one. Apart from 1 round. His system does not work in the playoffs. Hyman under Keefe, doesn't score. Bertuzzi? Nothing. Domi? Same thing. No one does anything with Keefe as the coach. Fire him and then see what happens. Because losing a Marner trade (by a truly dreadful margin in this case) for the sake of making a change to appease fans who can't regulate their emotions....well that's just pure stupidity.

Fire Keefe, I would also like to see Shanahan and Treliving fired. Fire the whole front office and coaching staff
Forum: Toronto Maple Leafsil y a 5 heures
Sujet: Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 7 - Shambles
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>He's never gonna agree to it and in open market can get what he's getting or more. Cause honestly after seeing Hyman leave us and dominate with EDM thats my fear with Marner. He goes to pick the team and when they make the playoffs he gives them 3 goals and 7 assists and helps them go to R2.

Both sides of the Marner camp rn have a valid argument rn and it sucks. As he's just gonna be another guy we drive away and then has more success elsewhere. Kadri still be laughing at us rn

JT time is up guys to slow and these playoffs was more of a ghost than Marner. Other than the PP goal noticed him on the Knies OT winner thats it

If TOR decided to stick to the young guys but build a very balanced team around them with JT's money things could be interesting

But again so many other factors involved</div></div>

The whole "balanced roster idea" is so off base. Or at least it's not a real argument until we see what happens with a different coach. Because it can't be denied that no one scores under Keefe in the playoffs. I am sure you'll point to the 1 series where they found some success. But every other series with Keefe as the head coach, this team can't score in the playoffs.

Point to anyone, Hyman, whoever. He didn't score here with Keefe as the coach. He didn't. No one does.
Forum: Toronto Maple Leafsil y a 5 heures
Sujet: Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 7 - Shambles
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Saskleaf</b></div><div>If it truly is going to be the last year for Marner and Tavares, fine. I just know if they’re kept around they’re probably going to get resigned, which would be a horrible idea</div></div>

This is just an emotional response again. Marner and JT are the problem.

The whole argument that if you didn't have those guys you would have better balance and score more in the playoffs. But no one scored for TO. No one does in the playoffs under Keefe. Ever. It's been a theme under him. Vs Columbus, then Montreal, then Tampa, then they got lucky once and then couldn't score vs Florida and now Tampa.

Why is that? Marner and JT are somehow working to make sure no one else scores? That doesn't make any sense.

People talking about "we could have kept Hyman, he scored 7 goals in the first round!". Well he didn't score in TO either. Bertuzzi had 8 points in the first round last year for Boston. He was brought in to be a playoff guy who produces, he didn't. Domi? Nope.

No one scores for TO. Doesn't matter if they did elsewhere they come here and nothing. People leave TO and produce. Why?

Fire the coach and get someone who knows how the NHL playoffs work. Keefe doesn't. He's the biggest problem on the team without question.
Forum: Toronto Maple Leafsil y a 7 heures
Sujet: Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 7 - Shambles
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>Hyman didnt score then but how do we know what were seeing in EDM would not have happened

What we had wasnt prime Hyman and what EDM is getting be prime Hyman as through the years he's just been getting better and better.

Hyman had 7 playoff goals in 1 round for EDM. TOR scored 12 goals total

While we will never know losing him is biting them especially with the issue of this team having the inability to score via playoffs</div></div>

Hyman plays with McDavid. That's why he scores more now. He's definitely a good player but he didn't score in TO either. No one scores in TO. Why?

Bertuzzi had 8 points in 7 games last year and had a goal this season. Did he forget how to play? Did Domi? No one scores in TO. The way they play is the same every year and they don't score. Why is that?

Changing the coach has to happen. It's a major problem, the system sucks for the playoff hockey. Get a new coach and see what happens.

You can make a very strong argument that Marner has to go, but if you can't get good value in trading him, keep him and hope a new coach can unlock something else there.
Forum: Toronto Maple Leafsil y a 9 heures
Sujet: Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 7 - Shambles
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LeafsForLife</b></div><div>Seeing a lot of stuff on this forum on whether or not the Core 4 would succeed in the playoffs under different coaching (HC and all ACs). What would everyone think of this idea:
Obviously, fire entire coaching staff. Since Tavares’ and Marner’s contracts end next year, they have 1 year to prove it was the coaching that was the problem. If the Leafs follow this plan and go on a run, that’s great. If not, their contracts are off the books.
If you don’t like this idea, fair enough, but explain why you think it wouldn’t work.</div></div>

I am leaning towards that plan. If you can get a fair return for Marner, you can make that argument fairly easily. I don't know who you'd get for him but a true top pair RD 26-28 years old would make sense. Marner is a world class talent but he's so fragile mentally and I don't know if he'll ever figure it out.

JT isn't going anywhere and everyone who wants to pay to move him out is just emotional and have lost all credibility. I hope he signs an extension at something fun like 2.5 for 8 years, all front loaded with bonuses. He's also still a very good player. I know many on here think he should be scoring 40 goals and 40 assists still but it's not likely to be what he does moving forward. He makes things happen but also I think is used wrong by Keefe.

So find a good coach (not at all Treliving's forte) get the defence in order, (we need puck movers and physicality, not just brutes). They have some options for next year but need a coach who can make the pieces fit together better.
Forum: Toronto Maple Leafsil y a 9 heures
Sujet: Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 7 - Shambles
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Leafsfan98</b></div><div>I will be a 3rd though

Babs
Keefe
The next guy the leaf hire

Lou
Dubas
Treliving

Shanahan
The next guy


All these guys for what?</div></div>

Well it's pretty clear by now that Shanahan is a huge problem. I am not a fan of Treliving either.

So at this point, what's the best idea, lose a Marner trade, spend that cap on more Bertuzzi's and Domi's? How many goals did those guys score in games 5 through 7?

That's where I get really annoyed with this talk, blame Marner or JT or Matthews and say it's the lack of depth that kills them. Well Bertuzzi and Domi are supposed to be difference makers in the playoffs and made no difference for TO.

Willy made a difference. Matthews when healthy made a difference. I am not sure what to do with Marner. But the coach has to go and the Blueline needs to be fixed. It needs to get younger and more mobile while also being physical.