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Forum: Armchair-GM30 nov. 2020 à 21 h 0

Sujet: 6-year OEL warranty

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Xqb15a</b></div><div>AZ isn’t taking back salary AND not getting draft picks. They have cash flow issues and no draft picks, this doesn’t address either of those issues.</div></div>

I actually disagree, it does both: this gives them 30 million in cash savings over 7 years, and pick their favourite Canucks d prospect (you know, the thing you use draft picks to get)

Forum: Armchair-GM30 nov. 2020 à 20 h 34

Sujet: 6-year OEL warranty

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>RangerWall92</b></div><div>Seems like a bit much for a Pettersson bridge deal. I think 8 is more realistic</div></div>

Fair! Would love to have Pettersson at 8x3 but the negative Nancy's around here always come out of the woodwork if you have him at that

Forum: Armchair-GM30 nov. 2020 à 20 h 33

Sujet: 6-year OEL warranty

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>oilersguy</b></div><div>you should give Pettersson longer term, like 6 or 7 years</div></div>

Would love to but I think the bridge makes sense for team and player: he can bet on himself and get more per year on a later deal, and he would command more per year than the Canucks can afford on a longer deal I would think

Forum: Armchair-GM30 nov. 2020 à 19 h 34

Sujet: VAN 2020-21

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NLidstrom</b></div><div>Just eyeballing it and I’m not a Canucks fan so I don’t have a ton of knowledge about them, but I don’t think they can afford the trade (Kane’s cap hit) and have room to sign Petey and Hughes? Plus Demko and Gaudette too.</div></div>

for sure would be tight but i guess the assumption is they dump other assets eg eriksson

Forum: Armchair-GM28 nov. 2020 à 21 h 56

Sujet: right meow follow up

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>deys3232</b></div><div>Petey is 10000% worth more than 8.5 million. Id be shocked if he didnt get at least what Eichel got, maybe even closer to Matthews</div></div>

But on a 3-year bridge?

Forum: Armchair-GM27 nov. 2020 à 18 h 3

Sujet: right meow follow up

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>sensibleguy</b></div><div>You bought out Zaitsev, which arbitration settlement will the buyout follow?

BTW, Ottawa still declines, it's not even close.</div></div>

i think gaudette is arbitration eligible

Forum: Armchair-GM27 nov. 2020 à 16 h 7

Sujet: right meow follow up

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Nhl_oilers</b></div><div>Didn’t you have a post a few minutes ago about the same thing?</div></div>

This is the next year, how Pettersson and hughes's contracts would fit

Forum: Armchair-GM27 nov. 2020 à 13 h 57

Sujet: win the cup right meow

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TheAlien</b></div><div>Ottawa declines and Isles match</div></div>

fair, but i think isles would at least think twice about walking barzal to ufa for 8/year. not just because of the compensation 1,2,3 picks, but also because of the assets they would have to give up to dump ~4 million in salary to make room

Forum: Armchair-GM27 nov. 2020 à 13 h 55

Sujet: win the cup right meow

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>deys3232</b></div><div>And what happens when you have to pay Hughes and Petey?</div></div>

<a href="https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/2118346">https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/2118346</a>

Forum: Armchair-GM27 nov. 2020 à 13 h 18

Sujet: my ideal roster this year

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TheAlien</b></div><div>I'd bury a couple people and sign Hamonic</div></div>

fair but the whole idea of not spending to the cap is to use the space for the bonuses from this season, so they don't apply against next seasons cap

Forum: Armchair-GM27 nov. 2020 à 13 h 2

Sujet: under

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Philly79</b></div><div>thx for being a neg a$$</div></div>

I think what he means is:
-hickey's cap hit is 2.5/year, but has only played half a season out of the last two years and has decidedly negative value. Probably would have to pay assets to dump him.
-fritz: minor leaguer. oleksiak: solid 2nd pair dman at a great price. you think a 3rd is the difference between the two??
-czarnik: minor leaguer, but the picks miiight make up the difference

Barzal could probably get more on a 6-year deal but probably shouldn't make more than 8 on a bridge, so I at least agree with your AAV there.

Forum: Armchair-GM12 nov. 2020 à 9 h 48

Sujet: cshores--Ferland on roster if VAN has to make trades heres an example

I think using pearson's very reasonable contract as a way to dump cap is an easy way for the Canucks to regress. Would rather give up a 2nd to dump beagle or Roussel who have multi year deals at a similar number

Forum: Armchair-GM12 nov. 2020 à 9 h 42

Sujet: Laine

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CD282</b></div><div>I don't see Arizona spending to the cap next year.</div></div>

Have you had a look at their current cap situation?

Forum: Armchair-GM12 nov. 2020 à 9 h 28

Sujet: lets see

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Copenhagen</b></div><div>Well ok big guy, who are you going to get to take draws on your 4th line in important D zone draws? Motte with his 19 draws last year and his average 35% faceoff percentage or Macewen with his 2 faceoffs last year. You can figure that out and no manager or coach would allow that. PERIOD</div></div>

Alright just to humour you: zajac to 4C, Gaudette to 3C, Komarov to RW

Forum: Armchair-GM10 nov. 2020 à 15 h 5

Sujet: Cups

If nashville offered the Canucks this deal, I'd decline. Would rather have Baertschi just play than overpay to dump 1 year of his contract

Forum: Armchair-GM10 nov. 2020 à 14 h 58

Sujet: Weaponize Cap

I think thats a massive overpay to move a useful and not overpaid player in killorn. Cernak alone is worth a 2nd and packaged with killorn is positive value (which we'll ignore for the sake of argument). Are you saying tampa would trade a 1st for glendenning and a 3rd?

Forum: Armchair-GM9 nov. 2020 à 10 h 33

Sujet: canucks pjs round 2

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ville__Koho</b></div><div>- Ferland (hopefully) won't be on LTIR forever, so you do need some cap space for him.
- That's an interesting bridge deal for Hughes, usually those are around the 5-6mill range, but to be fair Hughes is a franchise d-man so he might ask for 7
- Edler is worth more then 2 mill imo
- You would most likely lose Boeser, as he has an expiring deal next year, unless someone is moved out he will leave
- Although with Luongo off the books next year you might be able to pull a leafs and force some people to sign league min while re-signing Boeser.

Pretty much what all this means is that you are in cap hell lmfao</div></div>

24 million in cap space to sign a backup, boeser, virtanen, and 8 others. The other expiring deals will all be small, 1-1.5 million each. Boeser gets 8, virtanen gets 3, backup gets 3. 10 million to sign 8 players so 2 leftover if you wanna give elder that raise to 4 mill/year. I don't think it's cap hell until Horvat/Miller need new deals

Forum: Armchair-GM6 nov. 2020 à 7 h 34

Sujet: just for fun

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Claesson4Norris</b></div><div>Difference is Tkachuk is an elite driver of offense, whereas Boeser is more of a passenger to the greatness of Elias Pettersson. Plus Matthew will actually give that production in a full season, not just 60 games a season.

Boeser is a talented player don't get me wrong, but he's not close to the level of Matt Tkachuk. Tkachuk is absolutely elite, Boeser is really good.</div></div>

I agree that Tkachuk is a better, more complete player, but I don't think Boeser is a passenger of pettersson: his stats before/after pettersson joined the team are essentially identical, if not better before pettersson joined.

Forum: Armchair-GM6 nov. 2020 à 5 h 35

Sujet: just for fun

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Lunatik</b></div><div>As a Flames fan, this is not fun at all.</div></div>

as a canucks fan, ditto. big overpay to get a career 0.8 ppg player making 7 million for 2 seasons in exchange for a career 0.8 ppg player making 5.875 for 2 seasons...

Forum: Armchair-GM5 nov. 2020 à 23 h 55

Sujet: were looking good

vancouver accepts gotta love a hometown kid

Forum: Armchair-GM5 nov. 2020 à 22 h 50

Sujet: canucks pjs

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ville__Koho</b></div><div>Still tho Pettersson > Barzal? Right? So by doing this you would lose Pettersson so it doesn't really make sense to do</div></div>

I'll let you be the judge of the season-after followup acgm i made:
<a href="https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/2095067">https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/2095067</a>

I'll spoil it: it involves dumping lots of bad contracts

Forum: Armchair-GM5 nov. 2020 à 22 h 4

Sujet: TradeCanucks

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GMmaster13</b></div><div>VAN rejects</div></div>

i think i'd actually take this one, dont mind jensen for 2.5

Forum: Armchair-GM5 nov. 2020 à 20 h 18

Sujet: actually helping tampa

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>yikes</b></div><div>It’s an interesting thought seeing as both players know the injury bug all to well - making it Killorn would be better for Vancouver tho</div></div>

as a van fan i was trying to make it as enticing as possible for tampa

Forum: Armchair-GM5 nov. 2020 à 20 h 16

Sujet: Helping Tampa

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TheAlien</b></div><div>The second deal would obviously be in place before the 1st happens. It's essentially just a three-way trade. Also, Tampa can keep Paquette if they want doesn't really matter to me</div></div>

Let me put it this way:

Canucks side of the deal:
Cernak, Erik [RFA Rights]
Gourde, Yanni
Killorn, Alex
Paquette, Cédric
All positive value players, except mayyybe Gourde. Killorn might be a wash. The canucks could conceivable turn around and deal any one of these players without losing any assets.

Tampa side:
Eriksson, Loui
Beagle, Jay
Focht, Carson
2021 1st round pick (VAN)
2023 3rd round pick (VAN)
Eriksson's contract has tremendous negative value, i.e. it would cost something like 2 1sts to dump him straight up. Beagle is probably close to neutral. Focht is a 5th rounder and hasn't made too much noise so we'll treat him as a 5th. Could tampa dump Eriksson and Beagle for a 1st, 3rd, and Focht (5th)? Probably not. So this side of the deal has negative value, meaning tampa gave away cernak's rights and pacquette for less than nothing

Forum: Armchair-GM5 nov. 2020 à 20 h 8

Sujet: Helping Tampa

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TheAlien</b></div><div>You're trading Cernak and a 2nd for 11mil in cap space</div></div>

but not really, because tampa still has to go and do the legwork to dump the bad contracts

what you have proposed is essentially canucks and tampa swapping large contracts (note that tampa's contracts that they're dumping are substantially less negative value than the canucks contracts). then tampa has to dump the bad canucks contracts. why wouldnt they spend less to dump their own, and not lose a player like paquette who's making <2 million?

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