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Armchair-GM
11 juill. 2023 à 10 h 3
Sujet:
23-24
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NJDevils1317</b></div><div>This is likely very correct, maybe outside that the contracts might be a year longer than each of those guys wants, namely KAM.</div></div>
Agreed. The Rangers might start Zach at LD3 to start the season and give him another look. But I would go with Gustafsson. The one other possibility is giving Lafrenière a shot at LW1 and moving Kreider to LW3 at the start of the season. Krider would be primary on the PP, but Laffy should get some PP time too. They can always switch places if Alexis cannot cut it. Whatever they do line-up wise, play Laffy and his natural LW position. Filip as already arrived, and I think Kappo and Laffy about to join him.
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Armchair-GM
11 juill. 2023 à 9 h 54
Sujet:
Nylander trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NYR1983</b></div><div>Actually they aren’t. He’s the best rental they could possibly find for a run and there’s no chance they can come close to replacing him in a deal. He either signs or walks. There’s no trade happening. Leafs have their hands tied trying to win a cup and moving him isn’t going to win a cup.</div></div>
I concur. A somewhat similar circumstance for the Leafs (as opposed to the Rangers) for slightly different reasons in my view.
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Armchair-GM
11 juill. 2023 à 9 h 51
Sujet:
Nylander trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Rags21</b></div><div>Rangers are not giving up Laffy and Kakko for a rental</div></div>
Agreed!!
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Armchair-GM
11 juill. 2023 à 9 h 50
Sujet:
Does this fix it
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NYR1983</b></div><div>That NYR trade doesn’t come close to happening</div></div>
Agreed!!
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Armchair-GM
11 juill. 2023 à 9 h 50
Sujet:
Does this fix it
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Rags21</b></div><div>That does not get you Laffy lol and he’s not a RW</div></div>
Agreed!!
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Armchair-GM
11 juill. 2023 à 9 h 48
Sujet:
KAndre - Laffy Part 1
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Somerset</b></div><div>Maybe the 3rd piece I proposed might be a bit much but honestly I think LaF could fetch Dach & a 1st pretty easily especially from Montreal. I think the possible bidding war between a few teams could fetch that 3rd piece.</div></div>
I tend to be conservative. You may be right in the end. A bidding war would certainly help to achieve a 3rd piece!!
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Armchair-GM
10 juill. 2023 à 20 h 34
Sujet:
Keep tank
The Ranger front office has been screwing things up for decades. Covid had an affect for sure, but some of the awful contracts on the Ranger roster were signed before covid. And it is also true that the Rangers are not the only franchise in this position. we are where we are' Let the open-heart surgery begin.
First order of business in retaining Laffy and K'Andre. It is not a certainty that both will still be here for the 23-24 campaign. But I will assume the Rangers find a wat to retain both with three-year bridge deals.
First Goodrow. I see no interest around the league for Barclay. A buyout makes more sense next year.
Trouba's next. Worst case a buyout but attempt a trade first. Key lineup moves Laffy - Mika - Kappo 1st line Kreider to 3LW if Laffy doesn't cut, move Kreider to LW1 and Laffy to LW3. Re-up Lindgren, Schneider and Kakko. Miller LD1 Foc RD1 Lindgren LD2 Schneider RD2.
25-26 Re-up Igor at $9.5M (projected mx the Rangers can afford. Trade Panarin (you can't pay Igor right unless you do. Options: Trade first, Taxi Squad second. Breadman's contract is so bad, NYR gets more CAP reduction that way than with a buyout.
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Armchair-GM
10 juill. 2023 à 20 h 5
Sujet:
KAndre - Laffy Part 1
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Somerset</b></div><div>As a Ranger fan I’m not ready to give up on him yet BUT if I were trading him…I’m sure MTL would give up the best package. I’m taking nothing short of Dach, MTL’s 2024 1st rounder (unprotected) and a Center prospect like Oliver Kapanen. If MTL declines then I’m sure another Canadian team would do a similar 3 piece trade.</div></div>
First, Thanks for the feedback. I was conservative with the second rounder. The consensus I've received here and in several other threads suggests a first rounder is more likely, particular if multiple teams are suitors. Now Dach for Laffy straight up would require some additional comp to the Rangers since Laffy has more upside potential. Add the 1st rounder, and I think that's got the makings of a deal. If the Habs want to give us another player, I won't object.
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Armchair-GM
10 juill. 2023 à 18 h 17
Sujet:
Best case for 23-24
I tried working through a 24-25 and 25-26 scenarios. I'm not trying to duck your question. But it turns out to be and exercise in futility until the K'Andre and Laffy situation is resolved.
What I will say is there is a problem that is looming. In 25-26, then only way to pay Igor what he is worth ($9.5M seems to be maximum the Rangers can afford) is to trade Panarin. Go to the buyout calculator and buyout Artemi final year. It's a total joke, typical of the Ranger front office boondoggle.
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Armchair-GM
10 juill. 2023 à 18 h 4
Sujet:
Best case for 23-24
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Rags21</b></div><div>This team would be horrendous without Panarin lol i don’t know who you think would replace him or how their offense would survive without him
I didn’t hear this crybaby fanbase complain when we were winning last year or when Panarin had 90+ points in 60 games</div></div>
Let's just agree that we disagree. They are horrendous with him. Why, his contract. Add Trouba's and Goodrow's as well. I could even make a case for Fox (too much, too soon). These contract's put the Rangers in a real bind year after year. Because of them they can't retain Copp, Vatrano, Motte, Taresenko ..................
I don't represent the fanbase, and neither do you. I think for myself, which means I don't always go along with the crowd. If the Rangers insist on retaining this overpriced collection of beef, no cup for the next three years, and a least 5 more after that. Perhaps we will be on the same page the next time.
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Armchair-GM
10 juill. 2023 à 17 h 0
Sujet:
Panarin to Mars
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>krakowitz</b></div><div>I didn't realize there was this much Panarin hate in the Rangers fan base</div></div>
There isn't. But the Swede and I, and some others agree to disagree. Check out AG_Sweden's "The solution to all our troubles" thread for more commentary.
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Armchair-GM
10 juill. 2023 à 16 h 43
Sujet:
Best case for 23-24
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Rags21</b></div><div>Why would you offload Panarin and not some one like Kreider lol that makes 0 sense. The panthers went to the cup finals with an average roster and red hot goalie</div></div>
No. It about his CAP hit and his lack of defense mostly. I have been a Ranger fan for 65+ years, and I mention this because over that time span the best Ranger teams were the Hatfield, Ratelle, and Gilbert, the greatest line the Rangers have put on the ice in my lifetime. Ed Giacomin in goal. You will find their jerseys up in the Garden rafters. But they couldn't win a cup. Reason, lack of grit. The other was the team I referred to in my previous post.
And the current Ranger team lacks grit. Don't tell me about Trouba or Fox, or Lindgren. I could make the same case about Fox at playoff time as I did with the Breadman come playoff time. And he like Artemi, is great playmaker, no question. I'm more in the Gallant camp, give me big D-men that can play D. The Montréal pair of Larry Robinson and Serge Savard immediately come to mind. Big, solid D-men could play it anyway you wanted to. And when they dropped the gloves, they got the job done. They were part of the 4 consecutive cup teams of the late 1970's.
If you watched the recent Stanley Cup final, this is exactly what Vegas did to Florida. Moved em' off and moved em' on. Every cup winner over the past 65 years has always had grit and strong D. Fox and Lindgren do not move em' off and moved em' on.
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Armchair-GM
10 juill. 2023 à 16 h 15
Sujet:
Panarin to Mars
I was thinking more like Pluto. The farther the better. When I was in grade school, Pluto was considered a planet, and I would like to reinstate it to that status for this purpose.
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Armchair-GM
10 juill. 2023 à 16 h 8
Sujet:
Best case for 23-24
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Rags21</b></div><div>lol he proposes to get rid of Panarin which would be a huge mistake. Who would make up for his 90 point production?</div></div>
He's got three years left on his contract, and there will be no Cup during that time. Guaranteed. The Rangers we'll be even longer in the tooth by then. They need to start transitioning, the sooner the better. Off loading the awful contract of Artemi, Trouba and Goodrow are a good place to start. I don't know how old you are, but that is what they did in 1994, there Cup year when they trade Mike Gartner, a career 700+ goal scorer. Mark Messier and Coach Mike Keenan where the architects of that move. More grit was required, and they brought in some bruisers. The New York Oiler-Hawks. I'm sure if you were around back then, you would be telling Mess the same thing you're telling me now.
BTW - Mike Gartner never played on a cup winner, and neither will the Breadman. Look it up!!!
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Armchair-GM
10 juill. 2023 à 15 h 57
Sujet:
Best case for 23-24
You clearly state that the trade particulars need some work but the spirit of what you are trying to get to I get. As a very long time Rangers fans, if Laffy were to come to Montréal, LW is the proper position to play him at.
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Armchair-GM
10 juill. 2023 à 15 h 53
Sujet:
Best case for 23-24
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Rags21</b></div><div>I don’t know why fans of every team think Laffy can play RW. If he could then rangers would have solidified their top 6</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Rags21</b></div><div>I don’t know why fans of every team think Laffy can play RW. If he could then rangers would have solidified their top 6</div></div>
I agree. The presence of the Breadman is the reason. Check out AG-Sweden's thread "The solution to all our troubles" for further commentary.
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Armchair-GM
10 juill. 2023 à 15 h 50
Sujet:
Best case for 23-24
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>AG_sweden</b></div><div>I would recommend to play him on the left not right. He is so much more comfortable playing left.</div></div>
Couldn't<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>AG_sweden</b></div><div>I would recommend to play him on the left not right. He is so much more comfortable playing left.</div></div>
I agree completely. The Rangers have totally mis-managed Laffy at RW.
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Armchair-GM
10 juill. 2023 à 15 h 22
Sujet:
What to do
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>gdli</b></div><div>I wanted to leave the question of K'Andre and Laffy open to elicit other opinions. I agree that if you are forced to pick one, K'Andre is the keeper for the reasons you cited. That said, I would offer Laffy's rights for a second rounder. I have at least 5 teams and maybe more that are candidates. In addition. I have several positive responses from non-Ranger fans. I would be very interested in your take about that trade proposal. If the cash is there, bringing back Motte and then Othmann is a scenario I like. As always, appreciate the feedback.</div></div>
I was waiting for your response. I would have gotten back to you sooner, but I was responding to several others re: my Laffy trade proposal for a 2nd rounder. Certainly, more if we can get it. And that wouldn't be my opening position. What do you think we could get for Laffy's signing rights? Look forward to hear from you on this question. Best Regards!
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Armchair-GM
10 juill. 2023 à 15 h 13
Sujet:
KAndre - Laffy Part 1
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GoofyFoFoofy</b></div><div>If you want a value I would sell Laf for, I'd do it for at the very least a top 16 pick + a cost controlled RW with upside. In this scenario if we're backed into a corner a 2nd is already WAY too low of a haul. If a team offers less than 5m we can just ship off Goodrow (throw in a 1st if we have to) with a few picks to make room to match, so that already puts the minimum value (offer sheet compensation) at a 1st + a 3rd, then cue a bidding war of teams trying to upscale Montreal's offer sheet of a high 1st + 3rd, the value will defintiely get a LOT higher than just a 2nd rounder. He's the former 1OA pick who still has a lot of upside I don't get how you can be fine with letting him go for chump change.</div></div>
First, I want to state for the record that I respect the fact that you provided a specific response to my previous post. That's more or less what I was looking for. Second, I hope we can keep both K'Andre and Laffy. I think Laffy is on the verge, but I want to see it.
I have one or two other posts on this subject. The responses I've been receiving are split about 50-50 between something along the lines that your proposing and that I am proposing. I think you're a bit optimistic, but in the end it's all speculation anyway. I happy with yours is the best case for sure, and mine being the worst case. The truth, as it often does, lies somewhere in between. In support of my position, I will note that Laffy's draft year did not provide the strongest list of candidates. He hasn't developed like Eichel or Hischier ......... I don't know if there are enough interested teams out there to get a bidding war going, but if that were the case, I the possibility of a 1st rounder certainly increases.
Goodrow: I have to share with you the prevailing sentiment amongst Ranger fans that I have seen is lose to Barclay, the sooner the better. And I am in this camp. The problem is there is absolutely, and I mean absolutely no interest in this CAP dump. Anaheim maybe, so they break the CAP floor. Even this is unlikely. In addition, there are many who believe he isn't going anywhere. The only other option is a buyout, which makes a lot more sense to do next year. I think the Goodrow scenario you propose is the worst-case scenario. I'm not even sure it works when you put pencil to paper. Perhaps we will be more simpatico on the next one!
P.S.
We are 10 days into free agency and both Laffy and K'Andre have not re-upped. The public sentiment expressed by both players and Ranger management (the Lovefest) is genuine, but it is also for public consumption as well. If this weren't the case, both would be in the fold by now.
Business is business. The players would be foolish not to entertain counteroffers, and Ranger management would be foolish not to gauge the interest in these players, just in case. As a hypothetical, if Laffy were offered $5M for a bridge deal, or a bit more for a long-term deal, do you really think he wouldn't love the team making the offer a bit more than the Rangers. Ditto for K'Andre, just different numbers.
My concern, and what is the whole point of the exercise is: what if the Rangers find themselves back into a corner with no options and they have to choose between Laffy and K'Andre for real. Stated another way, you are in a dark alley and three guys are getting ready to rearrange your cranial region, who do you hit first? For me it would be the biggest guy.
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Armchair-GM
10 juill. 2023 à 13 h 42
Sujet:
Bridge deals
Sentiment runs high to buy out Barclays contract, but from a fiscal standpoint, next year would be the time to do it. The only franchise that might have faint interest in Barclay would be Anaheim. Their motivation would be to break the CAP floor. There CAP stands at $53, 626,667 with 16 players on the roster. That's about $7.5M for 6 players to breach the CAP floor. It seems more that likely they will exceed the CAP floor with those signings. If a CAP dump is still in play at that point, the Rangers can throw in a couple of used puck bags and a Reg Dunlop autographed stick compliments of the Charlestown Chiefs to sweeten the deal.
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Armchair-GM
10 juill. 2023 à 13 h 30
Sujet:
The solution to all our troubles
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>gdli</b></div><div>I've made the same arguments as you regarding Artemi. It's to incent him to leave. Buring his salary and sending him to Hartford would do nicely.
In addition, let's look at some facts:
For openers Panarin has never won a cup. There are plenty of 30 goal scorers who can be had for far less. He is, no doubt, a terrific playmaker. And at 173 lbs. he can easily be "pushed" aside. Something like what Vegas did to the Panters in the Cup final. If you don't believe me, take a look at is playoff stats on Yahoo. Here is what you will find:
GAMES PLAYED 57
GOALS 16
ASSISTS 30
POINTS 46
<strong>PLUS/MINUS -16</strong>
That means he is on the ice when 62 opponent goals that were scored in 57 games.
And his contract. God awful. Who was the idiot who agreed that a buyout of Artemi's contract in his final year would reduce his CAP hit by $300K to a meager $11.35M. Must have been a summa cum laude graduate of the Glen Sather School of Hockey General Management.</div></div>
My goal is the same as yours, to trade him. I have other candidates as well.
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Armchair-GM
10 juill. 2023 à 13 h 23
Sujet:
The solution to all our troubles
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>AG_sweden</b></div><div>well he shouldn't be on the team. Scratching him he would be open to be traded. Just tried of seeing him going home with all that money and excuses each offseason. He shaved his head to response to him disappearing in the playoffs. Yeah that is how you get better at playing hockey?:awesome
and would open up roster spots for Laffy, Chytil and Kakko. + cap
and he is a diva only will play with certain players.
and I'm tired of him.</div></div>
I've made the same arguments as you regarding Artemi. It's to incent him to leave. Buring his salary and sending him to Hartford would do nicely.
In addition, let's look at some facts:
For openers Panarin has never won a cup. There are plenty of 30 goal scorers who can be had for far less. He is, no doubt, a terrific playmaker. And at 173 lbs. he can easily be "pushed" aside. Something like what Vegas did to the Panters in the Cup final. If you don't believe me, take a look at is playoff stats on Yahoo. Here is what you will find:
GAMES PLAYED 57
GOALS 16
ASSISTS 30
POINTS 46
<strong>PLUS/MINUS -16</strong>
That means he is on the ice when 62 opponent goals that were scored in 57 games.
And his contract. God awful. Who was the idiot who agreed that a buyout of Artemi's contract in his final year would reduce his CAP hit by $300K to a meager $11.35M. Must have been a summa cum laude graduate of the Glen Sather School of Hockey General Management.
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Armchair-GM
10 juill. 2023 à 12 h 49
Sujet:
Bombay was a Hawk
That's a practically a mirror image of where I am at if we can keep both K'Andre and Laffy in the fold. I have them both re-upping for three years. On the $s, I have Laffy at $2.3M and K'Andre at $3.5M. I'd be happy to give K'Andre the $4M, but the bucks just aren't there. The additional $700K my numbers would provide approx. $1M of free CAP space (my perpetual target) for the GM to maneuver during the season. Laffy at $2.2M and K'Andre at $3.7M would get me close enough. You may think I'm nitpicking, but every dollar counts. We are essentially in the same place., more or less. So, in the words of Sam Kinison as Professor Turgeon in the Rodney Dangerfield flick, Back to School, I like the wat you think!!!
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Armchair-GM
10 juill. 2023 à 12 h 24
Sujet:
KAndre - Laffy Part 1
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GoofyFoFoofy</b></div><div>Drury has already said they're not shopping Laf, and this is also a pitiful return for him especially when there are bound to be teams who would offer more if we were actually shopping him. I'm very glad you're not the Rangers GM.</div></div>
I notice you too do not provide a specific proposal about a return for Laffy's signing rights. If you cannot manage that, then let's agree to disagree!
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Armchair-GM
10 juill. 2023 à 12 h 19
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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>HOCKEYBOY448</b></div><div>I think you’ve gotta prioritize Miller in this case over Laf if you potentially can’t sign them both. It’s near impossible to replace Miller internally at this point, while our depth at LW makes it easier to withstand not having Laf. In that case, you’d sell Laf for futures or someone on an ELC, sign Miller and bring back Motte. It won’t provide a lot of scoring, but will improve the defensive ability of the bottom six and bides time for Othmann to maybe make a mid year or late season addition to the roster (a sort of internal trade deadline acquisition). I hope they can keep them both, but if only one can be retained it’s gotta be the 2nd pairing d man with top pairing potential over the 3rd line winger with top line upside.</div></div>
I wanted to leave the question of K'Andre and Laffy open to elicit other opinions. I agree that if you are forced to pick one, K'Andre is the keeper for the reasons you cited. That said, I would offer Laffy's rights for a second rounder. I have at least 5 teams and maybe more that are candidates. In addition. I have several positive responses from non-Ranger fans. I would be very interested in your take about that trade proposal. If the cash is there, bringing back Motte and then Othmann is a scenario I like. As always, appreciate the feedback.
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