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Forum: Armchair-GM13 juin 2022 à 9 h 49
Sujet: Mega Deal
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Rstenzel</b></div><div>as an oilers fan i actually think this is a decent trade, you get a young dman for a fair price and a small cap increase, the upgrading the pick to a second to take on kassian is the type of trades i think holland should make. this only happens however if either keith retires or they trade barrie.

the rangers trade however, i think you are off your rocker. no chance NYR throws a first there for that, if anything id argue detroit should throw in the first, and i still dont think NYR says yes.</div></div>

As a Rangers fan, I agree it's a bit too steep for my liking. Trouba is coming off a great season and is in his prime. The lifecycle of the contract is the only thing that might hold Detroit back from adding but honestly I'd trade Trouba straight up for a 2nd round pick. No Bertuzzi, Zadkna, Kakko, Chytil, etc. You're getting a bona fide 2RHD to play big minutes behind Seider for just a second round pick. I'd love to keep Trouba but we need the cap space and we have Schneider and Lundkvist.
Forum: Armchair-GM12 juin 2022 à 9 h 1
Sujet: I think this is the best they do
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CMcAvoy73</b></div><div>Right, but this deeper team couldn’t muster much of anything at 5 on 5. How do they move on from being a PP and a goalie?</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CMcAvoy73</b></div><div>Right, so the vague hope that some players improve. Got it. I don’t think its happening. I think lafreniere will be a player, but I don’t think Kakko will be. I don’t think theres center help coming.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CMcAvoy73</b></div><div>Theres no, “our,” I’m not on the team.

Reality is, you just spouted a whole bunch of, “they will,” when you have absolutely no idea.
A lot of forwards, most of them actually, start to decline once turning 30.
You have no earthly clue that panarin, Zibanejad, and kreider will carry on.
You have no idea if the kid line will improve. I think lafreniere will. I don’t think the others will.
You have no clue that those prospects will move in. Most don’t. Most fail.

Anyone have any clue how to, “macgyver,” the center position? Any plausible plans?

I don’t see the path to get back to where they just were.</div></div>

It seems you've made up your mind about the Rangers before this conversation began. I don't want to keep talking in circles and we'll just have to agree to disagree.

But I'll leave you with this - when the Lightning lost to CBJ in 2019, Stamkos and Hedman were 29. Their front office didn't pack it in and say "this it it for us." They went to three straight ECFs and won two straight Stanley Cups along the way.

And let's not forget that that same year, your Bruins went to the SCF with a 33 year old 1C in Bergeron and 33 year old 2C in Krejci, not to mention a 42 year old top Dman. And the Bruins STILL committed to their core after that, signing Hall to a long term contract just last year.

The Rangers are not past their prime. They literally just started. And I don't think Chris Drury is going into teardown mode and rebuilding again because his veterans are just under 30.
Forum: Armchair-GM11 juin 2022 à 23 h 51
Sujet: I think this is the best they do
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CMcAvoy73</b></div><div>Whats so hot about it? I don’t think it’s wild to say that if Pittsburgh had any of their goalies, this team loses in the first round. Are we having this conversation if they lost in 6 in the first round? Yes, i think this is as far as the panarin, Zibanejad, kreider group go.</div></div>

I think the point you're missing is that most Rangers fans would probably agree that this team shouldn't have made it out of the first round. Where the disconnect happens is where you say things like "this is as far as the group will go" when the youth of this team has yet to fill in around those veteran players. I mean that's quite literally the organization's plan. Let the kids develop and support the vets so we become contenders. An ECF appearance in 2022 was never the plan, if anything it was a dream.
Forum: Armchair-GM11 juin 2022 à 23 h 49
Sujet: I think this is the best they do
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CMcAvoy73</b></div><div>Yes, 59 even strength points, which i think is his lowest rate since he was on chicago.

Again…i don’t think the window was ever open, and i just don’t see why this team gets better. Think kreider is going to do that again? Where’s the center depth coming from? I don’t think this team should have gotten out of the first round, and i don’t see a realistic route for them to be better next season.</div></div>

Players tend to score less when on deeper teams. The first few season with the Rangers it was all up to Panarin. This year they had Kreider scoring out of his mind, Lafreniere scoring 19 goals at even strength, Vatrano in the mix late in the season too. I'm not surprised his numbers decreased.

I don't think Kreider is going to do that again. And I don't think they have gotten out of the first round. But I fully disagree that this is it for them and there's no way to improve. They've just barely scratched the surface of what their young players can do. They will likely re-sign Motte and Copp. Center depth isn't great even with Copp back in the field but the wings will make up for that (Chicago won three cups with a 1C and two 3Cs).