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Forum: Armchair-GM16 août 2022 à 10 h 4
Sujet: Chychrun without moving Nylander
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Logan_Ollivier</b></div><div>An incredibly over the top haul for Chychrun. This is a reigning Norris champion return. Not a top 4/2nd pair defenceman haul. He wouldn't even be the best defenceman on the Leafs. Not even sure I'd put him above Brodie quite yet. Certainly isn't as good defensively as Brodie but offers more offence but not even close to as much as Rielly does so why get him?</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>jaok3</b></div><div>Leafs aren't trading Knies unless they get an ELC contract power forward in return. They also would have made a move already for their 2023 first rounder if something big was available and made sense. That year is supposed to be a stacked draft, so to move a first rounder would have to be a major difference maker to any team in the league.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>AG_sweden</b></div><div>That is a high of a price I would pay for Chychrun. He ain't all that. Just saying.

If ARI want's a trade they should lower the price. I know they are tanking but the price set on him is way off.

I honestly don't know why teams want him so much?
Is he good, yeah - hard to gage playing on a poor team. But I also feel trading for him can backfire big time.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>AG_sweden</b></div><div>That is a high of a price I would pay for Chychrun. He ain't all that. Just saying.

If ARI want's a trade they should lower the price. I know they are tanking but the price set on him is way off.

I honestly don't know why teams want him so much?
Is he good, yeah - hard to gage playing on a poor team. But I also feel trading for him can backfire big time.</div></div>


I agree with most of this, for the record. If it were me, I'd be giving up Sandin, Kerfoot, Holl and a 1st - OR Knies, Sandin and Holl. There's plenty of risk associated with trading for anyone, with the exceptions of very big stars. Chychrun could come into town and be Tyson Barrie - just not a great fit. However, I'm basing this on what Arizona is asking for.

As for the "why get him" comment - I think you need more than just one defensive guy and one offensive guy to win a cup. I have no problem having 2 offensive guys on the back end - even if they're both the sameish player. You need a full roster to win. I just agree that we shouldn't sell the farm for him.
Forum: Armchair-GM15 août 2022 à 15 h 55
Sujet: Chychrun without moving Nylander
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GiggywithGibby</b></div><div>Not saying it isn't a good haul, but you are asking for three years of salary retention. I'm only used to seeing salary retention for one year, or for a player who is performing well below their contract (Murray).

It would be highly unusual for a team to retain multiple years salary for a guy who is already on a team friendly deal.

As to Holl and Kerfoot, their value to Arizona is completely dependent on what they can be flipped for, and that's a big risk for Arizona to take them on with the hope of recouping them for picks at the deadline. Kerfoot is not going to have a 50 points season with the desert dogs, and they need to not get injured this season.</div></div>

It would be unusual, but that's why Arizona is getting more of a return.

I personally think the asking price on Chychrun is ridiculous. The team trading for that a star in those massive deals always never comes out on the winning end (Karlsson, Pacioretty, Eichel) ... and I think Leafs Management is smart enough to know that. Hockey is a variable game, and Chychrun has just as good a chance of coming to Toronto and being mediocre as he does becoming a top 2 star. We've seen it happen tons of times. I think a management group as smart as Toronto's realizes this, and if they're paying the full asking price, they're going to minimize risk by asking for some retention. It's not like AZ needs the cap space ...
Forum: Armchair-GM18 juill. 2022 à 15 h 6
Sujet: Predicting Divisional Standings 2023
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CD282</b></div><div>I'd love to hear your rationale for your Pacific ranking. LA at the top seems a little optimistic, but Anaheim in 3rd place seems downright crazy. Calgary and Vegas missing the playoffs? I wouldn't bet on that if I were you.</div></div>

Calgary - I'm thinking the loss of Gaudreau might trigger a movement of Tkachuk, and if so, that offense is a fraction of what it was last year. I wouldn't count on a top 6 of Coleman-Lindholm-Toffoli/Pelletier-Backlund-Mangiapane to be playoff bound

Vegas - I really think the Golden Knights are seeing the consequences of acting as if there is no salary cap the past few years. I cannot see how a team that gave Patches away in addition to the losses they had to make the past 2 years as cap casualties would be better than this current year's team.