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Armchair-GM
14 janv. à 23 h 14
Sujet:
Guentzel Three Team Trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Lancebmx</b></div><div>Why does Edmonton do this? Kane is cheaper and way more physical than Guentzel. Also signed to a reasonable cap hit whereas Guentzel will likely want 7M+.</div></div>
Kane's cap hit is hurting the team if he can't produce. Sure, he's physical -- but at what cost? He consistently gets outscored and outchanced up and down the lineup. Guentzel is a far superior player and has nearly double the points of Kane this year.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
27 juill. 2023 à 2 h 11
Sujet:
Not Popular
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Gronk9911</b></div><div>This is the difference between analytics and having a brain, if you think Bouchard is better than Pietrangelo you have absolutely no clue about the game of hockey.</div></div>
Never once did I say Bouchard is better than Pietrangelo? I said, based on his offensive and defensive metrics (among others), Bouchard compares and projects to be a player Pietrangelo-esque. They play a similar game, plain and simple. Bouchard is only 23 and has lots to learn before he gets to that level, obviously.
Young players always get compared to established NHL players. Recently: Bedard to Kane, Fantilli to MacKinnon, Carlsson to Barkov, etc. And think back to the Draisaitl to Kopitar comparisons. It's a natural part of scouting and player assessments. Analytically inclined front offices use statistical models to assess prospects by using their production across their development years and comparing it to existing NHLers developmental years to create comparisons between them. Take a look at teams like the Avalanche, Hurricanes, and Lightning and how many data scientists, data engineers, and other data-driven positions they hire for within their front offices and then take a glance at their regular season, playoff, and draft pick history in recent years and connect the dots for me.
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Armchair-GM
21 juill. 2023 à 14 h 37
Sujet:
Not Popular
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Gronk9911</b></div><div>Nice try.
Karlsson had a 50% goal share 5v5
He literally pushes the river and scores at a ridiculous rate this isn’t a lucky year thing either, in the last 5 plus season his 5 on 5 numbers blow other Dman out of the water.
Bouchard has had 2 months of a season of PP time and is sheltered huge plus sheltered with another Dman who’s better defensively than he is.
Fact is you have zero idea what kind of defensemen Bouchard actually is.
Not to mention, but EK plays on a terrible team, Bouchard is run out with 97 or 29 and the Oilers are a SC contending team.
Also, it doesn’t matter that Bouchard is 21-22-23-24-25 the Oilers are down to 2-3 years, if they don’t win a cup in that window it won’t matter who the defender is.</div></div>
Yes, 50.00 GF% is what is stated in the stats I presented to you. And a 50% goal share is not elite in any way, regardless of how good or bad the team you are playing on is. Elite players put up strong numbers regardless of their situation. Karlsson, at one point, was one of the best (if not the best) of his generation and I won't deny that.
Between 2020-2021 through 2022-2023, of d-men of played 500+ minutes, Karlsson ranks 91st in CF%, 160th in GF%, 99th in xGF%, 72nd in SCF%, and 78th in HCDF%. Do those numbers scream elite to you? They don't scream top pairing d-man to me. Nor do they scream $11.5 million.
So, lets compare those 5v5 rankings to Bouchard's over the same time period:
Between 2020-2021 through 2022-2023, Bouchard ranks 13th in CF%, 101st in GF%, 19th in xGF%, 34th in SCF%, and 42nd in HDCF% - all of which are better than Karlsson's numbers.
Bouchard puts up strong 5v5 numbers and strong powerplay numbers.
I do know what kind of defenseman Bouchard is, he is extremely comparable to Stanley Cup winning d-man, Alex Pietrangelo (according to JFresh, his closest comparable player based on advanced metrics).
Regardless of his Norris, despite him playing on a bad San Jose Sharks team, Erik Karlsson is not the defenseman that the Oilers need to get them over the hump. Goalscoring is not an issue with this roster, and with Karlssons one dimensional, pure offence game, I don't see how he would solve the Oilers greatest issue. That being, defensive zone coverage, limiting chances, and keeping goals against down.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
20 juill. 2023 à 15 h 21
Sujet:
Not Popular
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Gronk9911</b></div><div>Except a Norris….
Listen, 5v5 EK blows Bouchard out of the water, go look at EK on ice with every line then go look at what he was when he wasn’t on the ice, it’s like SJ iced 2 different teams.
Defensively EK is better and Offensively he’s better.
Not to mention Bouchard is sheltered with a superior partner.
You can have EK for far cheaper, giving the Oilers more money to build a deeper team. Lock another 9M D-man on the roster and see what happens if he struggles.
Bye-bye McDavid bye-bye Draisaitl</div></div>
A d-man putting up 100 points is impressive, but the Norris is meant to go to the best all-around defenseman and that is not what EK was or is...not even close. EK is essentially a forward player defence.
If you want to talk 5v5 metrics...lets look at the stats:
Bouchard in 22-23: 56.95 CF%, 53.66 GF%, 57,68 xGF%, 58.24 SCF%, 59.61 HDCF%.
Karlsson in 22-23: 53.59 CF%, 50.00 GF%, 53.46 xGF%, 54.61 SCF%, 55.23 HDCF%.
Simply put, Bouchard is superior in every single advanced metric. Yes, Bouchard played fewer minutes but he is only 23 years old and isn't even in his prime, whereas Karlsson is years removed from his prime.
Also, Bouchard only played with Ekholm for the last couple months of the regular season. He played the majority of his minutes this past season with Broberg and Kulak (prior to the TDL).
Mike Grier has already said that he is not willing to retain as much money on an EK trade as you've proposed in this thread...so getting him on the books for $6 million is likely impossible.
Thus, is EK really cheaper? And even if he is, EK is going to be 37 years old when that contract ends. Is an $8-9 million (assuming ~30% retention of EK's salary) 37 year old pure offensive d-man going to help McDavid and Draisaitl stay or win a cup? Nope.
Take a look at that right hand side of the Oilers defence that you've proposed here. Karlsson, Ceci, and Desharnais. That is easily bottom 10 in the league for right hand d-men depth.
Bouchard isn't going to the reason as to why McDrai leave or not. And even if they did leave, I would rather have a young d-man in Bouchard on the team to rebuild with than a washed up, injury prone d-man in Karlsson.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
16 juill. 2023 à 18 h 37
Sujet:
No Cup Rings
Cool idea
Forum:
Armchair-GM
16 juill. 2023 à 17 h 7
Sujet:
Not Popular
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Gronk9911</b></div><div>Explain why? Bouchard next contract is going to be Nurse esq; he’s asking for more than 4M right now.
You have 3 years left, that’s it, actually it’s only 2. Right now Karlsson is better at 5v5 and offensively.
Paying him more than a better defensmen is inexcusable.</div></div>
Even if Bouchard's contract is in the 8-9 million range, the cap is going to be going up significantly in the next 2-3 seasons. Karlsson put up one strong offensive season (despite 4+ down years), it's highly unlikely he puts up those totals again. And even if he put up those totals again, it's not really what the Oilers need. They were 1st in GF this year, and Karlsson brings nothing more to the table defensively than Bouchard does. You're essentially giving up one of the best up-and-coming young d-men in the league for an 33 year old injury prone d-man who just had an outlier year.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
12 juill. 2023 à 19 h 35
Sujet:
Some realistic TD moves
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CD282</b></div><div>We can tell you're a Flames fan. I'm not sure Tanev is an upgrade on Ceci let alone worth a 1st + more. Maybe 5 years ago, but not anymore.</div></div>
When healthy, Tanev is an upgrade over Ceci by a landslide.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
12 juill. 2023 à 19 h 33
Sujet:
Not Popular
Trading Bouchard would be an awful decision. Pass.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
11 juill. 2023 à 23 h 14
Sujet:
creating some cap space
This team is objectively worse than the current roster.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
30 août 2022 à 23 h 32
Sujet:
Kane
Every Chicago fan: "Not enough for Kane"
Forum:
Armchair-GM
24 août 2022 à 18 h 16
Sujet:
Going all in
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CD282</b></div><div>That's exactly it. If you sell the future for one run this year, the likelihood of them leaving in 3 years goes up. It's pretty simple.</div></div>
I wouldn't categorize going all-in as a one-year event. Colorado has consistently gone all-in these past few seasons; Tampa much the same. It doesn't necessarily mean trading away every asset for one stab at the cup. The Oilers should be trading picks and prospects over these coming seasons to give themselves the best chance at winning the cup every season.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
24 août 2022 à 18 h 13
Sujet:
chychrun trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CD282</b></div><div>Because it's too much to give up for a mediocre defender. Edmonton needs someone who can actually defend, not another offensive guy.</div></div>
Chychrun is pretty strong defensively. And, by his standards, he had a down year offensively. The only woe is that he's a LD and the Oilers could really use a player of his calibre on the right side.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
24 août 2022 à 16 h 24
Sujet:
Going all in
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CD282</b></div><div>Why would Edmonton go All In this season? There is no logical reason for doing so.
Also, the buyout window is closed, but it's pretty funny that you think Gagner has a better 2-way game than Ryan.</div></div>
Why would the Oilers not go all-in? Logical reason? McDavid and Draisaitl just went god-mode in the playoffs and proved they can make it to the conference finals. This team is a few solid pieces from winning a cup. Do you want McDavid and Draisaitl to walk in free-agency in a couple of years?
Forum:
Armchair-GM
24 août 2022 à 16 h 19
Sujet:
chychrun trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CD282</b></div><div>That's too much IMO, and Chychrun isn't the type of defenseman Edmonton should targeting anyhow.</div></div>
Why not target him?
Forum:
Armchair-GM
22 août 2022 à 15 h 6
Sujet:
Best C Depth
McDavid, Draisaitl, Nugent-Hopkins, and McLeod would like a word.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
12 août 2022 à 22 h 32
Sujet:
LTIR
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Fire_Brad_Treliving</b></div><div>since when was Smith hurt?</div></div>
He's LTIRetired.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
11 août 2022 à 21 h 36
Sujet:
Insider Oilers
That bottom six is looking a little weak, and I'd argue the defense is not really improved in this scenario either.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
11 août 2022 à 1 h 35
Sujet:
Sicko Sens
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Copenhagen</b></div><div>It doesnt matter what you think. You dont just dump good players for a 4th round pick. Like come on.</div></div>
Barrie being a good player and Barrie not having a spot on the Oilers roster are two things that can be true simultaneously. Besides being the PP quarterback, something Bouchard has proven he is capable of doing, what does Barrie provide on-ice? His 5v5 offensive results are lackluster and, in most cases, he is a black hole defensively. 5.5% of the salary cap is going towards our 3rd pairing RD who can't hold his own neither offensively or defensively at 5v5 without Kulak glued to his side and whose spot on the powerplay is about to be taken by a younger, cheaper, and more offensively-gifted Bouchard. You really can't expect a team to take on that contract, let alone pay the Oilers for taking that contract. Thus, the Oilers would be lucky to fetch a 4th rounder for him. That 4.5 mil in space, like I said, is far more valuable than Barrie if spent to add a solid forward and a defensive d-man.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
10 août 2022 à 23 h 8
Sujet:
Sicko Sens
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Copenhagen</b></div><div>Why. Barrie has more value than that by a lot. And who is going to replace him?</div></div>
4.5 mil in cap space is more valuable than anything Barrie provides to the Oilers. He's a great guy, don't get me wrong, but Bouchard does everything Barrie can do and then some. 4.5 mil in cap space would allow us to not only comfortably re-sign McLeod but also frees room for some UFAs (Milano, Rodrigues, Kessel, etc.) and perhaps a more solid veteran defensive RD via trade or, like some mentioned, P.K Subban.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
10 août 2022 à 16 h 20
Sujet:
Sicko Sens
EDM accepts
Forum:
Armchair-GM
10 août 2022 à 14 h 44
Sujet:
Bob proposes a super line
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>jacobla</b></div><div>im not saying i like it.. just something bob proposed. i can see that line having 150 goals.</div></div>
I know! I wasn't hating on you at all, my apologies if it seemed like I was. It's definitely a neat idea for sure!
Forum:
Armchair-GM
10 août 2022 à 14 h 40
Sujet:
Bob proposes a super line
I don't mind the line Bob proposed. It worked well in the playoffs given the state of Draisaitl's ankle, but I think keeping McDrai separate gives the Oilers a better scare tactic against teams that can catch them off guard when down a goal or at 4v4 with more open ice to work with. Still nice to see that, even if they did run the lines this way, the 2nd-4th lines could still hold their own.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
10 août 2022 à 2 h 16
Sujet:
Final Touches
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Hockey_Mind</b></div><div>I just have no interest in Puljujarvi, and the value is really off. CBJ have to pass on that like they did in the ‘16 draft.</div></div>
Puljujarvi is a young, two-way, play-driving winger that would instantly improve this Columbus team. Not sure why you wouldn’t want him.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
10 août 2022 à 2 h 10
Sujet:
flames szn
That bottom 6 is gonna get caved imo.
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Armchair-GM
6 août 2022 à 12 h 26
Sujet:
Aint no Holland back gurl
Oilers pass and won't do anything to help the Avs frankly.
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